12m/9m vs. 12m/10m kite quivers

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rakeem15
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So...

I've always had a 12/9 quiver (and a 7 but it wasn't getting used so I flogged it) mainly because I just went with the common advice for quiver spacing - 12/9 being the 'classic' two-kite quiver (I'm 80kgs).

In the last 18 months I've gone from just having a single board - bog standard twin-tip - to a three board quiver -
1. Twin-tip (Monk Forever 132/41) - flat water/chop.
2. Directional (North Wam 6'0) - when there's more of a swell/waves.
3. Light-wind (Airush Sector 60 V2) - when it's only blowing 8 - 10 knots.

I'm thinking of selling the 9 and getting a 10 instead.

The rationale for this being that I find that there's often a window between the two kites where I'd be overpowered on the 12 but the 9 won't quite give me enough.

Plus, now that I've got the boards I feel as if the 10m would be more of a useful kite when it's blowing a bit more and I can always switch boards to manage being over/under powered.

I'm also not really into bigger winds, if it's over 25 mph I'll generally sit it out (call me a wuss!) - but I love blasting around in light winds - and for me, if I'm overpowered on a 10 then that's probably too much anyway so I don't really benefit from the fact I can use a 9 in winds a little bit stronger.

Anyone else have a 12/10 instead of a 12/9?

Be interested to hear people's thoughts.
JGTR
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The rationale for this being that I find that there's often a window between the two kites where I'd be overpowered on the 12 but the 9 won't quite give me enough.
Really?? You are either extreme fussy or there is something wrong with your kites. I've been riding 8/12 combos for years and maxed on a 12 you should be having fun on an 8, certainly on a 9 - it's a well proven combo for pretty much all kite styles.

But saying that, it's all down to personal preference so maybe a 10/12 would suit you better
Dragnfly
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Is your 9/12 set made from kites of the same model?


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defever
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I have 7m & 11m "all round kite" quiver.
Official "wind range" is 13-24kts on 11m and 25+kts on 7m.
My boards are twin tip (134 x 39cm with bit of a rocker) and surfboard (NSP 5'10").

I know what you mean about between quiver wind; bit too much on 11m but 7m doesn't quite cut the mustard (well it never will literally).

One cheeky trick I learned recently: shorter lines will increase the manageable wind range!

My bar is 23m which includes 3m extension as standard. When I'm over the comfortable power on 11m (mid 20kts), I take the extensions and fly on 20m line. This makes a huge difference as the "power zone" hemisphere is decreased with shorter line. It works like a 9m kite!

With a bit of a juggle with your board selection and line adjustment, I think you should be fine?

Probably a cheaper solution than buying a new kite?
SLiiCK
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For years I always had a 12m and 9m quiver just recently changed to a 10m and 14m combo with still keeping an old 7m for the extreme days works well and gives me a good range when only taking 2 kites on my hols.
BrightonSurf
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I would say 12/10 is massive overlap for a 2 kite quiver. There are certainly days when a 10 is a great kite to have. I think 12/10/8 could be a great quiver for people who want to ride 14-30 knots.
Seraphial
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I settled on a 12/10/8 quiver after a few years on a 12/9 quiver.

The latter (Flexi Neutrons) is a great travel quiver from 15-27ish knots. At the lower & higher ends it was lacking or too toppy respectively, but I could cover most conditions whilst saving weight. I originally got a 12/8 F-One Bandit V quiver - it gave me a lot more range but I did find I missed a certain 'sweet spot' in the low 20kt region. I picked up a 10m Best TS cheap and haven't looked back.

The 10m is really suited for UK conditions IMHO, and as a one kite quiver is very handy when the wind drops or picks up a few knots. Saves a lot of changing. The 12m, depending on board, can get me out in 14kts, and the 8m 31/32 kts at a push. I'd rather downsize at that point. Just gives me more options.

However I did a demo before I tried the Bandit and I must say some kites do have a much better windrange than others. From my experience and with good technique, you can effectively drop one kite size from what you're expecting. A 9m Bandit could give you that option. However, going with a 10m as a 'most used kite in quiver' option is a good choice.
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When I brought my latest quiver, Hadlow ID's, I opted for a 8/12m combo. Unfortunately there wasn't enough overlap so I had to be massively overpowered on the 12 before I could move up to the 8. The only way I found round this, was to buy a 10!

The Flexifoil Atoms I had prior were a 9/12/15 setup and I am of the opinion, that 3m between kites is the most you should go and to be honest 2m between is a bit close dependant on the kite style or really heavy!
thetrash
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SLiiCK wrote:For years I always had a 12m and 9m quiver just recently changed to a 10m and 14m combo with still keeping an old 7m for the extreme days works well and gives me a good range when only taking 2 kites on my hols.

What kites do you fly? My biggest kite is a 13m C4 and I use almost all of the time, my 9m just sits in the car
JGTR
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10 years ago 9/12 was the accepted quiver. These days with modern kites and increased wind ranges it appears that we now need more kites and 10/12 is the preferred quiver :|
rakeem15
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Quite a mixture of responses!

Both my kites are North Evos.

It is the 'sweet spot' that I'm after really. That's what I meant about there feeling like there's a bit of a gap - it just seems to me that a 10m would (with a larger range of board options) be in the sweet spot more often.

Jay - I hear what you're saying and I guess for maximising wind-range, 12/9 makes most sense. However, I'd sacrifice 1-2 knots at the top end in order to have two kites that were mostly in there optimum range most of the time.
broraboyan
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So you would drop down to an 8m for your high wind?. My set up is 6,9,12, 15m and it work perfect be it its four kites, my most used is the 15m but the winds I get are usually below 20mph.
craigboddington
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broraboyan wrote:So you would drop down to an 8m for your high wind?. My set up is 6,9,12, 15m and it work perfect be it its four kites, my most used is the 15m but the winds I get are usually below 20mph.
In the end that's what I have done, 8/10/12/15
SLiiCK
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thetrash wrote:
SLiiCK wrote:For years I always had a 12m and 9m quiver just recently changed to a 10m and 14m combo with still keeping an old 7m for the extreme days works well and gives me a good range when only taking 2 kites on my hols.

What kites do you fly? My biggest kite is a 13m C4 and I use almost all of the time, my 9m just sits in the car
I fly naish parks 2013 use them on the water and inland I do have a flysurfer speed 3 15m for light wind land boarding but for a 2 quiver kites the 10 and 14 when it's to much for my 14m the 10 comes in nicely. :-D
grey2864
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Personally at around 83Killo had a 12 10 and 7m Quiver , and then found I wouldn't bother with the 12m and could virtually go as early on the 10m by working it , and the 7m was some times to big a jump down from the 10m , personally still think what I have gone back to the 12m , 9m and 7m Best Ts and 5,5 m stormchaser after last winter is the best for me , but it is personal choice 1 kite quiver would definitely go for 10m but I find I use both my 7m and 9m a lot and last winter the 7m was not small enough and the winder it gets the smaller the gap between kites .
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