Big changes in the industry..

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gilesb
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broraboyan wrote:Easier to learn. It took me ages to learn this sport.
Really don't get this one. Looking back, I didn't find it that hard to learn. I remember a few frustrating experiences but the process of learning didn't take that long and I enjoyed every minute of it. Finding good conditions to learn in was a different story and a source of frustration. Your more limited by conditions when your learning, I think there is more frustration but it's good preparation for kitesurfing as a way of life.

Somebody once told me that the reason surfers get addicted is because they can't do it all the time. You get addicted because you can only do it when conditions allow and you want more but you can't have it. Some people get put off and go take up golf, others get totally hooked and can't stop thinking about it. Apparently it hits the same part of the brain as drug addicts.

The push for light wind equipment is certainly a good thing in my book and fills the whole when you don't get ideal conditions. However as has been said many times it's not the same as 16Knots +, which really blows your hair back. It's those days which keep you coming back for more and leave you always feeling hungry. That's never changed for me from the start I just want more. I have to stop myself some days because my knees arn't that good so bionic knees would be a great invention.

Giles
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Make the clips that block the air in the struts better. On all my kites most pop out by the end of a session. Would not be good if I had to do a deepwater packdown.
highalpha_pass
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paulie_amoose wrote:
tombeaton wrote:
highalpha_pass wrote:Make the kit recyclable and then introduce a monthly payment system so everyone can have new kites every couple of years.
we are not banks!
Seems that Ocean Rodeo is wading into the world of banking, perhaps they have merged with Ocean Finance!

http://oceanrodeo.com/flightplan

Bloody hell. That's the fastest anyone's acted on one of my ideas. Well done OR. :)
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ChunkSter wrote:
This already exists! The Brunotti Buzz for example is a kiteboard retailing at £339.
Tom for the average kid its still a shed load of money no matter how the brands try to dress it up, can see their point ref production runs tooling etc but go to any beach not that many youngsters taking up the sport.. suspose its a tricky one and gamble for the brand biting the bullet and introducing a value type range then hoping to keep the customers loyalty maybe they should get some promo programe running with the kit sales to get the new rider to try stick with em, do think the brands have become short sighted and are only interested in banging on about next years kite colours and who their latest rider is ,,,are kites really changing that much from year to year, :-)
You can only go so far. Not everything is accessible to everyone. An unfortunate reality. But given the average price of a board is now 500+ - anything under £350 is a big move. In the same vain, a 10m kite complete on average is about £1300 - so anything under £1k is a big move again.

Lets not forget this is a tiny sport where the general public dont even understand the basics. We are no less accessible that motocross and certainly doing better than sailing.
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GRF wrote:Dealers who pay their bills would be good, that Kitemare con artist still owes me over ten grand.
Not like you Graeme to sput online is it? Most remember many ranting's that get took down where you openly slag. If you spent as much time running your business as you do sitting on forums you wouldn't had gone bankrupt. The debt according to the insolvency documents lye with the insolvency practitioner. Oh yes, you had tried to get as much back to sell privately before it went down so the creditors didn't get hold of it...Con merchant? You just collapsed a company, started again instantly and wrote off a lot's of debt...Mmmmm
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@ Chunkster

Just buy last seasons.. There are loads of shops with clearance deals out there. We do complete kite & board setups from £779 in last seasons kite + a 2014 board. Its gets you into the sport relatively cheap on brand new gear with full warranty and because you are buying it so well , the resale can be as much as 70% of the new price if sold next season and its looked after well.

EG A new 2013 Gin URU 8m complete + NEW 2014 Model Crazyfly Al lrounder = £819 . Use it for a year and you would easily get £570 for it as a beginner set up. Total cost to learn on brand new kit = £249.... There's loads of deals out there.
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dont get us grilled guys.. :cry: Surely that sort of input in the thread should be deleted and kept private , or at least on another thread..?
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Do each brand build their own safety systems or do they licence them?? Surely an industry standard is cheaper than each brand developing their own.

Also when a brand develops a board do they ever consider releasing it with a different flex pattern so for example stiff is you ride flats or like a mid flex pattern if you ride chop most of the time
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bri wrote:Do each brand build their own safety systems or do they licence them?? Surely an industry standard is cheaper than each brand developing their own.

Also when a brand develops a board do they ever consider releasing it with a different flex pattern so for example stiff is you ride flats or like a mid flex pattern if you ride chop most of the time
there is a bit of both going on. having said that people try to get silly money for licensing so end up with nothing. it is a point that sets you apart as well from the competition, and a factor which affects which set up people decide to buy.

if the flex pattern is changed it pretty much becomes a different board - this does happen, but it is given another name normally.
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bri wrote:Also when a brand develops a board do they ever consider releasing it with a different flex pattern so for example stiff is you ride flats or like a mid flex pattern if you ride chop most of the time
tombeaton wrote:if the flex pattern is changed it pretty much becomes a different board - this does happen, but it is given another name normally.
The soft flex boards as usually marketed to the girls!
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broraboyan wrote:Easier to learn. It took me ages to learn this sport.
One thing I would note from my experience so far is how easy it was to learn. Windsurfing 25 years and can just about loop, kitesurfing up and going in under 2 days, gybed a directional on my 2nd go and about 20th time out, do you know how long it took me to learn to carve gybe :lol:

For me its cheap spares and keeping kit costs down. It is annoying when a new bladder is sold at a premium or bridles; if I repair can make a pair up for under £20 why do some manufactures seem to charge over £80 :roll:
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#ed wrote: if I repair can make a pair up for under £20 why do some manufactures seem to charge over £80
If they have stock of the item then you shouldn't get charged that. If not then the item may have to be singly shipped from china and that's where the extra expense is.

A £15 Item can cost the end user £70 once its taxed , paid for and delivered and that's without the shop taking anything. I got an old 2011 bar part shipped in for a chap a few weeks back from outside europe. It cost me £25. The Shipping was £20 to me and then Fed ex kindly put a £12 admin charge on it to bring it through customs just to add a £6 tax. Add on the shipping to the customer, Vat and credit cards charges and you are on the wrong side of £80 without taking anything in the way of profit. Really , i would like to charge £99 for this part and actually make something on it for the effort , but it just seems ludicrous as its just a QR system on an old bar.. So you do it for free and the customer still probably thinks it a raw deal an who could blame them.

We keep a few bars of each brand for parts , some bladder sets and a few bridle sets. But there are too any parts to keep for all sizes from all previous years to stock without it being an unrealistic cost. But thats were generic spares , bladder shops and sailing shops can usually step in.
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Make the gear cheaper, Kitesurfing is in danger of disappearing up it's own arse if the only people who can afford new gear are those who are on mega shop deals.
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dbinit wrote:
#ed wrote: if I repair can make a pair up for under £20 why do some manufactures seem to charge over £80
If they have stock of the item then you shouldn't get charged that. If not then the item may have to be singly shipped from china and that's where the extra expense is.

A £15 Item can cost the end user £70 once its taxed , paid for and delivered and that's without the shop taking anything. I got an old 2011 bar part shipped in for a chap a few weeks back from outside europe. It cost me £25. The Shipping was £20 to me and then Fed ex kindly put a £12 admin charge on it to bring it through customs just to add a £6 tax. Add on the shipping to the customer, Vat and credit cards charges and you are on the wrong side of £80 without taking anything in the way of profit. Really , i would like to charge £99 for this part and actually make something on it for the effort , but it just seems ludicrous as its just a QR system on an old bar.. So you do it for free and the customer still probably thinks it a raw deal an who could blame them.

We keep a few bars of each brand for parts , some bladder sets and a few bridle sets. But there are too any parts to keep for all sizes from all previous years to stock without it being an unrealistic cost. But thats were generic spares , bladder shops and sailing shops can usually step in.
Ouch. Sounds like the biggest change might be to start making kit in the UK.
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dbinit wrote:
#ed wrote: if I repair can make a pair up for under £20 why do some manufactures seem to charge over £80
If they have stock of the item then you shouldn't get charged that. If not then the item may have to be singly shipped from china and that's where the extra expense is.

A £15 Item can cost the end user £70 once its taxed , paid for and delivered and that's without the shop taking anything. I got an old 2011 bar part shipped in for a chap a few weeks back from outside europe. It cost me £25. The Shipping was £20 to me and then Fed ex kindly put a £12 admin charge on it to bring it through customs just to add a £6 tax. Add on the shipping to the customer, Vat and credit cards charges and you are on the wrong side of £80 without taking anything in the way of profit. Really , i would like to charge £99 for this part and actually make something on it for the effort , but it just seems ludicrous as its just a QR system on an old bar.. So you do it for free and the customer still probably thinks it a raw deal an who could blame them.

We keep a few bars of each brand for parts , some bladder sets and a few bridle sets. But there are too any parts to keep for all sizes from all previous years to stock without it being an unrealistic cost. But thats were generic spares , bladder shops and sailing shops can usually step in.
And here's the problem.....how this is acceptable is beyond me. Stuff has been manufactured abroad for years and imported cheaply into the UK, I can buy something off ebay from half way round the world and it'll be here in a few days and cost boff all yet the kiting industry is incapable of getting one simple part from A to B without a near on 400% increase in price.
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