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Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:25 pm

I've still got the number of the geezer from granada reports who was down for the BKSA event, that could be useful!

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Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:15 pm

Just got this from Paul Norris so at least we have dialogue now and it sounds interesting.


Philip

Thank you for your email. I certainly will invite you along to any
discussions. I intend to set up a meeting within the next couple of
weeks. I
am sorry that we didn't involve you or other kite organisations in the
decision to ban kites. The decision had to be made quickly as we had a
busy
easter weekend approaching and did not have the time for negotiation.
The
safest option wasto remove the risk entirely

Now that has passed we can look at ways in which kiting and other
activities
can be carried out safely.

I will be in touch very soon

regards

Paul

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Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:20 pm

and also the woman who got hit is a bullshiter who jus seems to b after compo.

and if it wasnt for this fukin woman i wud b out ktiing on lytham channel at the moent:@:@:@ :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:29 pm

haven't you got coursework to be doing? :lol:
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:26 pm

ive had a few people comment that nothing is being done other than people contacting radio stations , newspapers and tv channels...........
im defending the need to keep a central bank to help draw together ideas and thoughts and thinking hang on these people are activley doing things !!! well done those folks and that shud certainly be detailed as evidence people are doing things

also conversations with some people ive had - paul norris howard henshaw and carl pennington - it appears that bksa and pksa are doing things behind the scenes ??????

nice artcle in gazette last night - nice article in the citizen ali - "give the council time and they will take 4/5 years" - quote howard henshaw fylde local councillor lib dem - put out someone a directive / instructions what individuals can do to play their part - call a meeting write up an action plan and share all the information that is currently around

the moment this leaves the publics consciounce is the moment the pressure is off the council to act engage listen and hopefully work w ith us!

a few dribs and drabs running dry is what i fear

isolate kitesurfing from the wider kiting population and you weaken the threat considerably imho

mart

thats my parting word on the matter until im asked to do something to help the cause cos im a bit peed off with one or two things coming out from all this - im passing on some pretty strong comments ive had chucked at me whilst trying to be diplomatic on the beach or on the phone
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:00 pm

please expand Mart.....

Hopefully we have the meeting and establish the RA then hopefully things will start moving, PN did say within 2 weeks which isn't bad for the council, I will be emailing him on a regular basis for updates on dates etc as we need to get the BKSA and PK?? here as well.
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:21 am

I hear the meeting might be next week !!!!!!
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:38 pm

It looks like next week, maybe Tuesday or wednesday, I'll be around for that

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Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:43 pm

can only b good
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Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:51 pm

all

had meeting today with alex ali's mum and dad Phil C and myself in a rather nice cafe in fleetwood.
Spent 2 hours discussing our approach to the council meeting.

It is hard to know what level to pitch our arguement as we don't know the council's agenda but do exzpect that from the media coverage we have seen and heard with various councillors that it is intended to be a temporary ban and that after discussion it will be lifted.

Alex brought to the table along with 60 printed emails of support all other info including European legislation, beach access law etc that we could start to talk about if the council are not willing to budge.
However, we are hoping that none of this will be neccessary so we have put together a simple proposal.

If the council are to lift the ban we want them to do so with as few restrictions as possible but have a few ideas to run by them.

Firstly we will suggest 2 no fly zones being 250 mtrs south of the slip way at starr gate and secondly 100 mtrs north of the beach entrance at the coast guard station at st annes.

Also, signs to be placed at the entrance points to the beach listing the safety guidlines that SSBR would like visitors to abide by.

We will alsoask the council to place signs at the edge of these no fly zones informing members of the public that they are enterig a kite launch and landing area and highlight the possible dangers.

We have loads of other ideas if the council want to take it further, rash vest schemes etc but we are not going to put these forward unless required.

Ali's dad has been in touch with someone high up at the council and is arranging a meeting this week.
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Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:15 pm

so why was this not already in place? asked the councillor and the lady hit by the kite!

"We have loads of other ideas if the council want to take it further, rash vest schemes etc but we are not going to put these forward unless required. "

go into any meeting rushed thru ill prepared and you will get caned by and rediculed by unsympathetic councillors who need convincing!

mike shaw richard gowers and carl pennington - and dave mcleavy - all personnel with experience knowledge and desire to help

i disagree that so much detail is going public at such an early / rapid state

if my comments are not a cceptable feel free to count me out but i disagree w ith a lot of what is being suggested and the plan of action

the women deservves a hell of alot more from us the kiting community - reading alot of the press made me cringe big time

reality check cos i forsaw this 5/6 months ago when i said call a meeting cos there w as so much crap going on down the beach

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Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:30 pm

martin , battleplan no#1 is


all riders at starrgate (1st port of call for the whole fylde coast)...

should veiw and sign a code of conduct to say they have read and understand the code of conduct which we are working at soon .


and one of the bullet points is a recomendation to carry 3rd party ins upto 5mil

I hardly think its an infringment to you martin to veiw 10 guidlines then sign it to say you understand it .


the plans are not to meet with them and give em a massive plan and propose a big permit system ,

:lol: I personally think we should take the da hui approach and if your face dont fit then we sail out and give you an important part of your engine in the line up and tell em to f**k off but thats just me ( mart I know how to strip a citroen fuel pump) :lol:
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Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:04 pm

Having seen the minutes of the meeting, it looks like the right way to proceed

EDIT - worth adding, hindsight is a wonderful thing!

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Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:34 am

Martin

to say you thought about this 6 months ago, we got together 3 years ago and put together a proposal to take to the council but was decided at the time that this would stir up a hornets nest at the time and could result in an out right ban.
We have been in discussion with the beach patrol for the past 2 years and talked to them about what we require to try and make it safe.
unfortunately they have not acted.

To say we are rushing into a meeting ill informed is not true.
We sat round a table for nearly 3 hours on Sunday discussing all actions and points and ways to address the council.

We don't know at the moment what their view on the situation is but we are expecting that they want to lift the ban and with a few changes by us this will be possible with minimal fuss.

However, we have a lot more ideas and potential plans to take to the table but do not want to start going down the road of strict rules schemes etc unless it is what the council want.

If we do not act fast and speak to the council in an organised manner the ban will take longer to be lifted and the longer it is in place the worse for everyone.
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