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Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:21 am

IMPORTANT *** Blackrock Sands *** [/size]
MESSAGE FROM THE PKSF
(Power Kite Sports Federation)

Dear Power kiter

As I am sure you are all aware there are currently a number of issues which have been voiced in the local papers and at town council meetings, concerning the use of Blackrock Sands by power kiters.

During the increase in popularity of power kite sports over the last couple of years, this location has been one many locations for land activities.
With a long expanse of sand which is ideal for all kiting activities this is a location that we need to keep open for all.

Having spoken to the local Maritime Officer, who is responsible for the safe operation of the beach, the PKSF have been discussing the usage of the beach and possible controls of it.

Whilst the Maritime officer is happy to see kiters using the location he has to protect and represent the opinions of the local residents. Since the beach opened its gates to kiters in October he has received a large amount of complaints. The local council are pushing for a total ban on the beach and currently feel that their hand is being forced.
We have a small opportunity to try and rectify the situation whilst we still have a chance.

We have drawn together a series of guidelines for the beach and its useage. It appears that most of the complaints are based around three areas of concern:

1. The blocking of the sand roadway with equipment or vehicles

2. The flying of kites and the use of traction equipment in close proximity to members of the public

3. Arrogant, rude or aggressive attitudes towards the local residents.

Whilst we appreciate that there are two sides to every story, theses issues are serious ones which can be easily rectified.

All kiters who use this location have a responsibility for the attitude and behaviour displayed on the beach. The system we have devised is a basic guidelines system designed to protect both kiters and members of the public.

However it is all down to you. If you decide to enforce these guidelines at the beach and control the behaviour of others then we may have an opportunity to continue our dialogue with the council and Maritime dept to maintain access to the beach. If things continue as they are then the council will impose and enforce and old bylaw which stops all wind powered vehicles on the beach.

The Maritime officer has also asked that if an event, or a large number of kiters, are intending to visit Blackrock on a particular weekend, then it would be best that he is contacted with details as far in advance as possible (blackrocksands@hotmail.co.uk).

He feels that he can then publish these details locally and make local residents aware of the event and the fact that the beach will be busy that weekend.

With the current situation we are at a very precarious point and we need to avoid the creation of any issues with the local residents or the beach wardens.

By kiting safely and responsibly and showing a courteous and polite attitude towards the local environment and residents we can hopefully maintain sympathetic useage of this wonderful location for all beach users.

The discussions are underway and we may have a light at the end of the tunnel but please think carefully about your actions and those of others around you.

If you have any suggestions for the location and its management or if you have an event/ number of kiters coming to the location, then please contact blackrocksands@hotmail.co.uk

I look forward to your support and commitment towards this scheme.

Best regards
Adam Jones
PKSF Head Trainer


Contacts for events or details:
blackrocksands@hotmail.co.uk


Powerkite Activities Guidelines for Blackrock Sands

The following are a set of guidelines that all powerkiters using Blackrock Sands should follow. These apply to all kite activities including static flying, kite buggying, kite land boarding, kitesurfing.

• All kiters must carry 3rd party liability insurance and have details of their insurance available for inspection
• Each kiter is responsible for the safe operation of their equipment at all times
• Kites should be set out a minimum of 3 line lengths from the sand dunes, keeping the sand roadway clear at all times
• Kiters should not use the sand roadway for flying or traction activities
• Always leave a safe zone of 2 line lengths from the parked cars whilst flying
• All kiters should wear appropriate safety equipment whilst kiting
• All kiters should use an active leash system on their kite
• Kiters should give way to cars at all times
• Please allow plenty of room when passing a member of the public
• Kiters should ensure that all kites are launched or landed a minimum of 2 line lengths seaward of the sand roadway.
• Kiters should refrain from kiting at times when there is less than 2 line lengths of clear space from the sand roadway


General beach guidelines

• Please respect the natural area and keep it clean and in good condition
• Do not camp on the beach
• Tidy your rubbish, if you bring it with you then take it home
• Be aware of the tides and leave plenty of time to get you and your vehicle off the beach
• Please adhere to all advice from the beach wardens
• If you are approached by any member of the public please be polite and courteous at all times.
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:56 pm

Just wondering what happened with this one, no posts/ responses at-all.

Has the kitesurfing community cleaned-up it's act or shot itself in the foot ?
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:35 pm

When I was there last september the beach warden was very friendly and basically said if you go down the far end of the beach its OK.
His actual words were there is no kiting on the beach as the cars will get confused and this may cause a danger to you. I explaind that this is why I do not kite on roads. He could see my point and was quiter tollerant and reasonable at allowing some kiting to go on.
What I find difficult to get my head around is this is a beach but looks more like the m25 at rush hour on a good weekend and the attitude there is the car comes first, by the local authority. I have seen racing of cars on this beach in front of the wardens who took no action. Hand brake turns 50 mph driving down the beach. and not just now and again but all the time. Very serious road traffic offences. 50 mph in a 10mph zone instant driving ban I think isnt it. I an suprised no body has been hurt yet.
Jet skis regularly speed past within several meters of the beach.
In all the place is in reality a bit of a free for all.
ANY WAY
Fantastic beach massive views, awsome.
Early morning week days and the far south end of the beach is OK.
As far as kitsurfing goes no problems and there is a great lagoon that appears at the mouth of the estury fantastic flat water with waves further out if you like it like that.
I had one of the beach patrol launch my kite. They are very good also at letting you know the dangers and keeping a lookout for you.
I am heading there next week for a holiday and to be honest despite the weekend bad points its a great place and every body is very friendly and the camp sike at black rock has great facilities.
Cant wait.
Pete
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:17 pm

Oh-shit, thanks Pete.

So this beach is used by car drivers to hurtle up and down regardless of the risks to beach users yet the maritime officers ignore this and kitesurfing is frowned upon. Yes ?

Bizarre.
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:38 pm

Kitesurfing is fine they love it. They frown upon powerkiting in case it interfears with the car drivers (on the beach???) (especialy the ones taking fu*k all notice and looking out to sea, or the racers.
If you go there you will realise what I mean. Its a bit bizzar. They seem to have rules but its a free for all. I used to live in france and its a bit like that there too. Almost same language (not a joke) also.
I think Adam (original post) is concerned as he is mainly land kite based although I know he is a good kitesurfer too. The points he makes are commonsence and courtious behaviuour. However I can understand after being there how it would be easy to kick the shit out of a twat that tries to drive over you, whilst seting up your kite, to have a closer look at what that large unknown object is on the beach 25m away. Basically you have to treat these people like inquisitive wild life. Posibly dangerous, deffinatly dosile, stupid and clumsy. Some will be tourists so obviously no danger applies to them they just observe from a bubble (in the shape of a tone of metal).
But seriously it is a great place and worth a visit. The kitesurfing is great.
I will be there from next Sat for a week if your heading that way give us a pm. Will not be too many people this time of year. Fantastic riding and near to other direction beaches all with very different asspects. Its the best part of the UK I think I love it. I mountain bike also (so used to cars) so great loication for that if the moon and stars don't align and the wind dies.
Dont let the negatives put you off it just amazes me that some places are so rule norientated like ainsdale and as it appears the south coast that this area of such natural beauty frowns upon a silent polution free sport whilst the rest of the world only leaves there car to climb aboard a jet ski.
Go ther its the best
Pete
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:00 am

Thanks for the encouragement Pete, sounds like this spot could do with a few more kitesurfers on a regular basis in order to set some acceptable standards, what are the favorable wind conditions ?
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:14 am

Hi
Anything from NW(cross shore) through W, S to SE (cross shore) .
Regards
Pete
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:44 pm

I did ask for info as I was over there over easter week but got told ----

John. Reply off the maritime officer...

"Your are correct in that 'Kitesurfing' is not permitted, and this is in the
interest of the 'Kitesurfer' due to so many Powercraft operating in the area
and the 'craft Exclusion Zone that is in place from 1st April."


Hope this helps Liam

link on the flexi forum - http://community.flexifoil.com/showthread.php?t=139198

so who is right ?????????????

lucky there was no wind so just stuck to flying a BUZZ with the kids .

agree with the cars - many times I felt like going up and twating some little spotty kid driving like a loon - even on one time the icecream man was doing about 40mph with his song going !!!


the worst Ive seen is in Jan 2007 we was all down there in about -2.c when no one was around buggying , had some old guy about 70ish drive right through about 10 land kites and lines that was all staked down . :shock:
we all had to scream and shout for him to stop for his own saftey as 10 blokes was about to kill him !!
he told us in his best welsh that he can drive anywhere he likes on the beach ...................
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:14 pm

When I came to Wales I was assured that the north and south are quite different in a variety of ways, I think North Wales is far to close to a number of large cities for 'it' to remain purely North Welsh. Certainly this case points to at least one oddity. Kitesurfers can't kitesurf because of the cars on the beach ? surely local opinion can't possibly support this.

They have proper life-guards and a beaches safety officer, what on earth are the local council thinking ?

I'll give it a miss, thanks for the help.
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:13 pm

Well harbour master seems to think is is allowed.
Beach warden said its allowed.
If the Local council have risk assessed the area and say that jet skis are pressenting a danger to other sea or beach users and have done nothing to address the issue of the danger then in the event of an accident they are liable.
So what if i am a swimmer, sailing, kayaking or jet skiing surely they pressent the same danger.
By the same argument that it is to protect the kitesurfer. By the same token women should be banned from going out at night in case a rapest pressents a danger to them.
Hmm seems the local council may have shot them selves in the foot if there is an incident. Even in welsh the argument is a bit weak.
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:24 am

I feel gutted Pete, it sounds such a good spot for beach fun of all sorts. Children playing beach games and sandcastles, OldGits sitting in the sun enjoying the view and watching the girls, kite-traction and kitesurfing. All this can be accommodated with a few sensible rules being adhered to and of course zones, all fuxxxxed-up because they allow cars to tear up and down the beach,I really do find it bizarre.

One of our beach's has vehicle access, presumably for launching, there is a clear sign that no vehicles are allowed onto the beach and even though I drive my kit onto the beach because of my poor walking I am regularly stopped and questioned. I never have a problem after the explanation but then I drive on and off the beach very slowly and carefully avoiding people, children and animals.

Surely at Blackrock Sands the first sensible thing to do would be to ban any vehicular access other than emergency launching and then sort-out the buggies, landboarders and kitesurfers.
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:18 pm

Crazzy but however it all makes sence.
The safety of everyone on the beach has been clearly disregarded to generate funds for the local authority. There is a charge to drive on the beach.
Also I wonder if the locals who deal with the jet skiis etc are on the council??
It sure sounds like they are.
I have just spoken to the people who run the campsite by the beach and they seem to think nobody really knows the rules or when they apply. However they said there are people kitesurfing down there right now.
What ever don't need cotroversy on my holidays. So we have cancelled our holiday at black rock and are taking our tourists money to shell island where we have been welcomed to bring our kiting gear. So may be that may help fule local oppinion where the economy largely revolves around tourism.
Oh and I do hope they enjoy the noise of there jetskiing friend late in to those still summer evenings. And I hope they don't forget to keep there children away from the dangers of the beach and water. May be they could take them for a drive to entertain them and keep them fit and healthy.
It is a great beach but yes it is somewhat spoiled by the irrisponsibility of the local authority.
We will probably go up to use the lagoon there if my girlfriend can not get going in the waves but only durin the week.
Never mind it may even change when some one gets killed by a jet ski or car breaking the law. And then we can watch the council funds drop as they pay out for there negligence and short sighted decissin making.
Shell island to Barmouth and Harlec beaches. Can just about manage same wind directions. And they get good right ups. Check out http://www.forces-of-nature.co.uk .
Looks good on the weather for mi hols next week. So excited again now I have found shell Island
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Pete
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:32 pm

A charge to drive on the beach ? What is the cost of behaving badly for the drivers ?
Have a good time Pete, sounds like a wise decision you made and I must look at Shell island.
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:53 pm

Well the cost of driving badly comes free with the entrance fee.
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:41 pm

just come back from a week there ( End of July start August ) - YES you can kitesurf there , I asked the beach wardens and they said ok in the summer as long as you stay away from the swimmers zone . One plus was that I had 9mtr most of the time so the beach was empty of folk most of the week , speaking to one jet skier he told me that this was the case when its windy , also the wardens tend not to charge the £3 to drive onto the beach then .

NO LAND BASED KITING stuff tho - they are strict on this
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