CBK Hunstanton Kitesurf Club

Berwick-upon-Tweed to Southend ~ Local info and chat.
ears
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Sat May 17, 2014 11:59 am

If you are interested in what the CBK Hunstanton club is all about, check out our online flip book magazine.

http://publications.titmanfirth.com/go/cbk-14-15/
thetrash
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Wed May 21, 2014 9:11 am

Must have insurance and not allowed to self launch? That's all East Anglia needs, another commercial Kitesurf operation running a "club" whose website alludes to them running the beaches and stating bullshit rules when there has never been an issue before.
ears
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Sat May 24, 2014 10:40 am

We do not run the beach.. its as simple as that.

I take it from your comment though that you are one of the people that do not care about others around them and do not bother with 3rd party insurance and self launch over the razor shells and complain about holes in the canopy. The bullshit rules are there to support and maintain safety.

East Anglia isnt in its own little protective bubble where no accidents happen. They happen all over the UK and the world, by having some rules it might help to keep a new kitesurfer safe. If you want to call that bullshit then that is you opinion.

thetrash wrote:Must have insurance and not allowed to self launch? That's all East Anglia needs, another commercial Kitesurf operation running a "club" whose website alludes to them running the beaches and stating bullshit rules when there has never been an issue before.
warbs
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Sat May 24, 2014 10:09 pm

ears wrote:
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I take it from your comment though that you


are one of the people that do not care about others around them and do not bother with 3rd party insurance and

self launch over the razor shells and complain about holes....

<snip>
I don't post often, but this post is, to quote you, "bullshit" - so I'll bite....

Isn't kitesurf insurance a personal choice about risk, not a legal obligation like say motor insurance? It's nothing to do with not caring about others, just a judgement based on perceived or measured risk. Assuming someone has the means to cover any eventuality, and is prepared to take the risk of never needing to, what's the purpose of insurance?

The leap to moaning about kite damage after self launching over razor shells is singularly impressive, did you just make this up, or have I missed something?
thetrash
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Wed May 28, 2014 11:59 am

ears wrote:We do not run the beach.. its as simple as that.

I take it from your comment though that you are one of the people that do not care about others around them and do not bother with 3rd party insurance and self launch over the razor shells and complain about holes in the canopy. The bullshit rules are there to support and maintain safety.

East Anglia isnt in its own little protective bubble where no accidents happen. They happen all over the UK and the world, by having some rules it might help to keep a new kitesurfer safe. If you want to call that bullshit then that is you opinion.

thetrash wrote:Must have insurance and not allowed to self launch? That's all East Anglia needs, another commercial Kitesurf operation running a "club" whose website alludes to them running the beaches and stating bullshit rules when there has never been an issue before.
That old chestnut, because you don't have insurance you don't care about others. Having insurance won't help if you kill someone,it's not a magic pill that prevents accidents. I'd been kiting for long enough to know when conditions make accidents more likely and I don't like riding when it's like that so I don't bother, I don't attempt tricks upwind of people, I'll ride away from others as I don't liked crowded riding unless it's with mates.

What has razor shells got to do with it? Anyone with half a brain can see them and not launch there. There has been a happy status quo at Hunstanton new and old over the years, why do you feel it needs more organising? If you want to run a shop then do it but don't start organising things that don't need organising.

Tell me again why we can self launch? It's quite an important skill that a kiter needs to learn.
ears
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Thu May 29, 2014 1:14 pm

Im sorry but someone making a judgement call on the perceived risk or measured risk is not what it is about. People do that for their own back not others. Everyone does a partial risk assessment when they get to the beach and therefore yes they are making a educated guess about the risks involved but for themselves not 3rd parties.

Insurance covers people against risks. So if someone has the means to cover someones salary for months/years because they accidentally injured them in an accident on the beach, then lucky them.

As for razor shells.. if you self launch then you are running the risk of getting a hole in your kite and also self launching can be dangerous. So, if there is no need to self launch then why do so? by being launched it reduces risk to you and others, along with increasing the life of your kite. win win.
warbs wrote:
ears wrote:
<snip>

I take it from your comment though that you


are one of the people that do not care about others around them and do not bother with 3rd party insurance and

self launch over the razor shells and complain about holes....

<snip>
I don't post often, but this post is, to quote you, "bullshit" - so I'll bite....

Isn't kitesurf insurance a personal choice about risk, not a legal obligation like say motor insurance? It's nothing to do with not caring about others, just a judgement based on perceived or measured risk. Assuming someone has the means to cover any eventuality, and is prepared to take the risk of never needing to, what's the purpose of insurance?

The leap to moaning about kite damage after self launching over razor shells is singularly impressive, did you just make this up, or have I missed something?
ears
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Thu May 29, 2014 1:40 pm

Having insurance wont stop accidents but by doing exactly what you do helps to reduce the risks. So when it is too windy or gusty for you, you dont go out because an accident might happen. That makes sense. New people to the sport may not have learnt how to self launch because it isnt in the BKSA instructors syllabus. Mainly because it can be dangerous. I am not saying it is dangerous, but there is a certain element of risk involved. So... taking the risk out reduces the possibility of an accident.

There certainly is a happy vibe at old and new Hunstanton. You wont see me running around telling people to not self launch, or to do things differently, because it is not my place to do so. What is my place though is to offer advice and support for people who have come through my school and joined the club for more advice/support and to be involved in a club with a great atmosphere. If people dont want to join us... then thats cool. There is not problem with that at all. By saying to our members though, to not self launch, we are merely trying to look after people rather than police people.

I am down on the beach teaching most weekends and see a lot of goings on. The council ask people to launch and land in a certain area on Hunstanton main beach... do people adhere to that? No. Why do the council ask people to launch and land in a certain area? for safety. Will people ask questions and get pissed off if the beach was closed for the sport because someone had an accident in an area they shouldnt be and injured a 3rd party beach goer...yes. So, why not start with the basics and reduce risks of accidents and therefore reduce the risk of beaches being closed.

We are not trying to govern the sport in Hunstanton. I am not trying to police the sport in Hunstanton. Just support safety and maintain the sport on our beaches.
thetrash wrote:
ears wrote:We do not run the beach.. its as simple as that.

I take it from your comment though that you are one of the people that do not care about others around them and do not bother with 3rd party insurance and self launch over the razor shells and complain about holes in the canopy. The bullshit rules are there to support and maintain safety.

East Anglia isnt in its own little protective bubble where no accidents happen. They happen all over the UK and the world, by having some rules it might help to keep a new kitesurfer safe. If you want to call that bullshit then that is you opinion.

thetrash wrote:Must have insurance and not allowed to self launch? That's all East Anglia needs, another commercial Kitesurf operation running a "club" whose website alludes to them running the beaches and stating bullshit rules when there has never been an issue before.
That old chestnut, because you don't have insurance you don't care about others. Having insurance won't help if you kill someone,it's not a magic pill that prevents accidents. I'd been kiting for long enough to know when conditions make accidents more likely and I don't like riding when it's like that so I don't bother, I don't attempt tricks upwind of people, I'll ride away from others as I don't liked crowded riding unless it's with mates.

What has razor shells got to do with it? Anyone with half a brain can see them and not launch there. There has been a happy status quo at Hunstanton new and old over the years, why do you feel it needs more organising? If you want to run a shop then do it but don't start organising things that don't need organising.

Tell me again why we can self launch? It's quite an important skill that a kiter needs to learn.
thetrash
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:01 am

Seems a lot of hot air to me, I was there yesterday and there wasn't anyone standing round launching kites.
vandino
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:47 am

Im sorry but someone making a judgement call on the perceived risk or measured risk is not what it is about. People do that for their own back not others. Everyone does a partial risk assessment when they get to the beach and therefore yes they are making a educated guess about the risks involved but for themselves not 3rd parties.



You know, this is the bollucks that I truly think CBK believe. What kiters set up without concerning themselves about the public. Certainly non Ive ever kited with. I wish someone had explained about safe and polite kiting to the 3 Best riders at Branny the other week.
nikiD
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:25 pm

Plenty of local information on Hunstanton Sailing Club website for anyone heading to Norfolk:

http://www.hunstantonsc.co.uk/kitesurfing-guidelines/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:-)
vandino
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Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:56 am

Ah, I'm beginning to understand a few things. I assume the 3 Best riders mentioned on another forum are KGB sorry, I meant ckb riders. Seems they were chopping a noob up at Branny to the point he packed up. Seems they were ripping into the shallow lagoons where he was learning and scaring the shit out of him. Nice!!! OK on their web book, they categorically state, no self launching at Hunny. What about the guys like Kieron, Kevin from Northampton, the gob from Coventry, to name but a few ? Guys that get to the coast when they can. Or on a weekday lunchtime when no ones around. Its KGB bollucks. Off shore kiting is almost promoted at Hayling. Yes, of course they have a rescue boat BUT its putting the seed into the head of a beginner surely. And how many can they rescue if it goes wrong offshore. Bollucks !!!
ears
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:56 pm

This has got to be the most boring argument I ever been involved in. Mainly because people do not seem to actually listen or read what is being written.

I will make it VERY CLEAR.

If you want to self launch - go ahead. It really does not bother me if you choose to self launch. If you are a competent rider and can execute a self launch safely then go ahead. I would put Kieron at that level.I am sure he is competent to do that.

HOWEVER - 90% of our club members and future club members are and will be new to the sport so we are promoting safety first. If people want to bitch about that then go ahead. Once people are at a competent level and they then venture out in their lunch breaks then I am sure they are going to be self launching as well. Mainly because no one else is about. If it would make everyone happy I will re-phrase this on the website to say - dont self launch if someone else is there.

As for the 3 riders at Brancaster "ripping into the shallow lagoons" scaring the shit out of a new comer to the sport causing him to pack up..... You must be talking about the guy who had lost his board which was why he was packing up. In no way were we getting in the way of any riders on the water. There were 4 of us all to one side staying out of the way of everyone else to the point we were actually getting in each others way.

And why bring up another business 4.5 hours away picking on their practices which you have probably never experienced? It doesnt really make much sense. Beginners down there will know just as much as beginners up here do, that you do not go out in offshore conditions. Have you ridden down there on a spring at low tide? How many times does the boat go on to the water in offshore conditions? Not very often.
thetrash
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Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:43 pm

I think the fact that you started a "club" at Hunstanton shows how little you know of the area, the facilities and the people that ride there.
vandino
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Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:15 pm

thetrash wrote:I think the fact that you started a "club" at Hunstanton shows how little you know of the area, the facilities and the people that ride there.
They're likely to tell you, the local kiters are rallying to the cbk cause. Which you know is rubbish. New people to kitesurfing may be ignorant of the fact that cbk DON'T actually own the beach.
ears
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Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:11 pm

thetrash wrote:I think the fact that you started a "club" at Hunstanton shows how little you know of the area, the facilities and the people that ride there.
complete and utter BS.

Ive been Kitesurfing the whole Norfolk coastline for the past 6 years +. Because I do not get involved too much with people that choose to openly try and stop someone earning a living from the sport they love and have a passion for... and because a lot of people are not open to 2 businesses of the same nature being in one town...... this constitutes knowing little about the area, facilities and the people that ride there.

It is not difficult at all to understand the facilities in any area.

As for the people that ride there.... they are kitesurfers with a passion for the sport I enjoy, that is enough for me. Evidently it is not enough for some people that I share their passion, which to be honest is EXACTLY why we wanted to create an inviting club for people to feel like they are part of a community. Sometime ago I joined another club and wasnt spoken to once.... the club never contacted me..... there was no emails of events...... there was no "checking" in to see how club members were etc etc. That should be the type of club you put in " " because all they were doing was take money off people and did nothing for the money that I paid.
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