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Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:49 pm

Just seen James his selling his foil board, no doubt he will be along shortly to give details

So, got me asking myself, how many of you are riding foil boards now? I see there are a number of boards out there right now with a few of the big brands working with the foil experts to create boards for themselves!

Prices seem high right now, maybe they will drop when they come through some of the established brands, but there are also a few used boards knocking about, seen at least two on ebay in the last few weeks!

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Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:59 am

I started a year ago but then, I only kited 3 times since due to family and n injury.

Well worth it but I doubt it is for everyone.

Edit 1:
I built mine and will build another one once I am "good" enough on it.


Edit 2:
Forgot to say, I think our friend Steve ordered on from Carafino :mrgreen:
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Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:56 pm

I wouldn't read too much into me selling or not selling my foil, if it goes then fine if not I am happy to keep it

It is NOT because I am stopping

There are plenty of people foiling and the numbers will grow as more gear becomes available, will prices drop? Unlikey really, what you will get though is very beginner orientated kit being sold by brands that people will grow out of Very quickly who then can't move it on because of the short apeal

Ah f*ck it, buy a foil, it will feel mega(cos it is) but until you start riding a variety of foils and understanding the differences you won't get how restrictive that first foil actually is.
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Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:08 pm

Hey James, didn't think for one minute you were stopping, you have obviously learnt a lot and I figured you were probably moving to a different foil for the reasons you have made in your post

Was hoping to instigate some kind of discussion based on peoples experiences in the hope that it might help those wanting to go the foil route (myself included!)

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Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:19 pm

Is it safer to ride foil boards strapless?
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Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:01 pm

I've been learning this year at Calshot, slowly it's been coming together and wish I was nearly as proficient as James and some of the other riders.

Regarding strapless being safer, from personal experience, it almost certainly is! I've just recovered from a foot ligament injury where I stupidly tried to pull the board back under me during a wipeout over the front to save having to body drag back upwind. That said, foil boards are awkward to manoeuvre in the water, I've found that the foot straps really help getting back into the start position when learning. Learning to foil board soon gets you to become very good at body-dragging. There's quite an incentive to regain all that expensive carbon which is invariably upwind of where you land after crashing.

It is a fantastic sensation being lifted out of the water, when everything goes quiet and smooth - before wiping out once again. The intervals between these two events are thankfully getting longer!
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:38 am

Personally I started with staps and I would recommend others to do so too

The amount of small tweaks and adjustments that you make as you ride that you need the leverage that you get from having them is incredible. Without them you would crash pure and simple

My rule of thumb though is have them so you can always always get out and be light on your feet, don't just wedge them in and forget

Secondly if you feel things going wrong, get out of there immediately don't try and rescue or wrestle the foil, it will win!

I will sometimes rude without the back strap if I am spending time on foot movement for tacking and gybing but I feel safer can go faster and crash less often with straps on,


The boosting is also sooo good :-)
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:05 am

james wrote:Personally I started with staps and I would recommend others to do so too

The amount of small tweaks and adjustments that you make as you ride that you need the leverage that you get from having them is incredible. Without them you would crash pure and simple

My rule of thumb though is have them so you can always always get out and be light on your feet, don't just wedge them in and forget

Secondly if you feel things going wrong, get out of there immediately don't try and rescue or wrestle the foil, it will win!

I will sometimes rude without the back strap if I am spending time on foot movement for tacking and gybing but I feel safer can go faster and crash less often with straps on,


The boosting is also sooo good :-)
Was it with both front and back straps?
People in france recommend to only use one so thats how I did and it sounded natural. Infact I will probably go strapless next but it depends what you want to do next.

Some people have little hooks ascting as front starps.
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:13 am

My first board was a single front strap and single rear

That's how it was set up and what worked for me, when I built my next board it was three strap
double front strap and a single rear

Well that's what I have now anyway

I am more down the line of racing/going quickly so less keen on the no strap options

Hell I am not an expert and there are guys riding strapless tgat would ride ride rings around me but it works for what I want to do

Howard you getting on with your set up?
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:21 pm

Tony wrote:Just seen James his selling his foil board, no doubt he will be along shortly to give details

So, got me asking myself, how many of you are riding foil boards now? I see there are a number of boards out there right now with a few of the big brands working with the foil experts to create boards for themselves!

Prices seem high right now, maybe they will drop when they come through some of the established brands, but there are also a few used boards knocking about, seen at least two on ebay in the last few weeks!

Tony
We have been reselling Moses foils in the UK for a while and we have had a waiting list for boards from the start. There is definitely a steep learning curve, but it's by no means impossible if you have some directional experience. Like everything time on the water is the thing. Starting to get more orders for performance foils as people get more experienced at kite foiling. I'm sure we will see some of the big brands bring foils to market in 2015. What that'll do to the pricing is anyone's guess, but the more foils out there the more that will come up used.
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:35 pm

what i really should have added to my first post is the following...

and i wonder how many brand reps are actually going to be honest enough with their experience (likely very little) and the actual performance characteristics of the foil that they are selling to sell them realistically and honestly.

shops like 24-7(southampton) Edge watersports (exmouth) and 109 watersports (Weymouth) all have staff that foil have ridden different foils and can actually help from an experienced point of view rather than reading whats on the box and saying its rad and selling you the idea rather than the reality.

If there are other stores that have people foiling and i have left them out its by accident rather than design so i will apologise in advance.
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:08 pm

I just got some info from a guy called Chris Middleton, he's based in France, company is Fastafoil

They are going to be producing their foil in conjunction with F-Hot, who have been around for a long time and probably know a thing or two about carbon fibre moulding!

He's some blurb about their foil
The Batwing Sencillo has been designed to be ridden from 8 to 20+ knots and all of the foil components are rounded & non pointed with relatively thick trailing edges. Thus reducing the risk of injury should you fall onto the foil; and yes that can happen in the learning phase. How
to foil is one thing, learning how to gybe and tack is another and after 6 years of R&D we’ve concluded that learning the basics at a slow speed aids the learning process of faster progression and being able to achieve flawless gybes and tacks at speed.
The Sencillo concept is based on a simple hydrofoil learning process :
1 : Learn how to fly with the Batwing Sencillo set-up : 1 to 6 months
2 : Upgrade to an additional set of Freeride wings & learn how to gybe and tack faster 3 : Upgrade to a race wing set where your speed limit is determined by rider ability
The Sencillo is constructed from cabon fiber guaranteeing a rigid structure that allows you to foil effortlessly. The R&D process is ongoing and we are working with some of the brightest design and hydrodynamic minds on the planet to bring you an impeccable range of kite foiling products.
The Sencillo will be available during the summer of 2014. We will keep you posted via email with updates, product availability, pricing and forthcoming release dates. A small volume of pre production prototypes will be made available for purchase in the coming weeks - this allows lucky purchasers the oportunity to aquire a kitefoil at a very competitive price. In the mean time safe and steady winds and enjoy your time on the water
I believe Lee "Pasty" Harvey is riding one of these!

Tony
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Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:51 pm

Airush will have foils at the start of next year, they have been working on them for over a year so far.. no idea on prices yet.
- some locals up our way are dialled, and really enjoying it. Tricky, challenging, but proven do-able, and they say the biggest problem they have is relaunching a 9m kite in 10 knots of wind!

I had a foil board in 2002, a welded up all alloy airchair onto my 152 directional board with snowboard bindings.
It was challenging, not least with an old C kite!
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Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:23 pm

Tony wrote:I just got some info from a guy called Chris Middleton, he's based in France, company is Fastafoil

They are going to be producing their foil in conjunction with F-Hot, who have been around for a long time and probably know a thing or two about carbon fibre moulding!

He's some blurb about their foil
The Batwing Sencillo has been designed to be ridden from 8 to 20+ knots and all of the foil components are rounded & non pointed with relatively thick trailing edges. Thus reducing the risk of injury should you fall onto the foil; and yes that can happen in the learning phase. How
to foil is one thing, learning how to gybe and tack is another and after 6 years of R&D we’ve concluded that learning the basics at a slow speed aids the learning process of faster progression and being able to achieve flawless gybes and tacks at speed.
The Sencillo concept is based on a simple hydrofoil learning process :
1 : Learn how to fly with the Batwing Sencillo set-up : 1 to 6 months
2 : Upgrade to an additional set of Freeride wings & learn how to gybe and tack faster 3 : Upgrade to a race wing set where your speed limit is determined by rider ability
The Sencillo is constructed from cabon fiber guaranteeing a rigid structure that allows you to foil effortlessly. The R&D process is ongoing and we are working with some of the brightest design and hydrodynamic minds on the planet to bring you an impeccable range of kite foiling products.
The Sencillo will be available during the summer of 2014. We will keep you posted via email with updates, product availability, pricing and forthcoming release dates. A small volume of pre production prototypes will be made available for purchase in the coming weeks - this allows lucky purchasers the oportunity to aquire a kitefoil at a very competitive price. In the mean time safe and steady winds and enjoy your time on the water
I believe Lee "Pasty" Harvey is riding one of these!

Tony
Chris Middleton is very active on the french forum and is very good apparently.
He produced wings to improve the carafino a few years ago.

The fastafoil facebook page is worth following!
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Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:00 pm

I just found the FB page

Interesting to see a tuttle box style fixing instead of a plate!

Tony
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