How to Gybe a surfboard

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Ade G
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Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:10 pm

Recently got a kite surfboard, cant seem to get the hang of Gybing and sorting my feet out.

Question - at what point should you change feet, before, during the carve or having changed direction and riding toeside.

Question should you drift the kite up to support your weight or keep it at 10 or 2 o'clock

I should point out I am riding strapped but only use the front strap.

I get my back foot round to just behind the front strap (pointing the right way for what will be heelside) then as I take my foot out of the front stap to move it to the back, the board always seems to shoot out forwards under my feet. I've tried during the carve & after doesn't seem to make much difference

I do think I'm getting closer but cant nail it.

Any advice greatfully received or point in direction of any video showing the foot movement etc.

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Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:35 am

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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:18 pm

i tend to do the foot switch before i initiate the carve (unlike the ikiteboarding guide). i ride strapless but the process is similar:

1. best to wiggle out the front foot from the strap first. this should leave the foot closer to the rail but otherwise you should be in control of the board. (NB if you do the foot switch after the carve, there is less time to do the wiggle out.)

2. move back foot up towards front foot, to give the pigeon-toed stance. at the same time, move the kite slightly higher so you are getting some lift from it and it slows you down a little.

(when learning i used to do steps 1 and 2 repeatedly on the same tack without doing the footswitch or carve)

3. bear off slightly downwind and then do the foot switch, leaving your "new" front foot out of the strap (but near it).

4. move kite and carve.

5. put front foot back in strap.

keep practicing and if you are already riding with no back strap, go the whole hog and take the front one off too! i found it easier to do gybes strapless as i found the strap got in the way, and the whole wiggling in and out a pain.

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Ade G
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:16 pm

Thanks guys, also been told of a vid in Iksurf mag.com which also explains it spot on

So thats me determined to crack it as soon as the wind decides to play ball again

just goes to show even for Joe average after nearly seven years of kiting there are still things to learn which aren't going to kill you even if you cant do a 5 pin din scart lead handle pass!!

cheers Ade
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:21 am

My tip - get a skim and take the fins off - this will help you appreciate the subtleties of weight shift. The trick is to allways be balanced - e.g. if you have big feet it helps a lot as you can trim the board without moving your feet much - otherwise you have to wriggle your feet into position to keep front to back and side side to side in balance at all times. If the board shoots off in front of you you have put too much weight too far back. Shinn does a hop to change his feet - us mortals have to wriggle the front back a bit - put the weight on your front toes - to allow you to move your back foot forward - then you will put your weight on the backtoes in order to allow you to make your old front your new back. Then you can wriggle them into thier new positions. It doesnt matter when in the sequence you do this - before during or after the turn. the process is the same - except that if your talented enough to do it during the turn you will be putting more weight on your back (leeward) foot to make the turn ( all whilst steering the kite!) - oh and dont bottle it - do it at speed - gives you way more stability. I have a lot of fun on the finless nobile skim as you can make it do anything just by moving your weight - nailed my first surface pass this way.
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:56 am

Paul.

You were surprised I intended to use a stiff knee-board to learn the gybe and I've been thinking. How is the knee-board any more or less directional than a skim ? This knee-board actually has a semblance of a rail.

I noticed that the few locals we have that ride surf-boards are all strapped and they don't gybe, they just go to toe-side and back.

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Ade G
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:56 pm

I noticed that the few locals we have that ride surf-boards are all strapped and they don't gybe, they just go to toe-side and back.
I was doing that, the toe side return - but got to thinking it was the lazy way of doing it rather than forcing myself to learn the foot change.
Sometimes its hard to force yourself to try & learn new stuff because you keep falling off, whereas you know if you went & got the twin tip out you'd be blasting about doing jumps n stuff instead of body dragging back to your surfboard.
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:53 pm

Ade G wrote: I was doing that, the toe side return - but got to thinking it was the lazy way of doing it rather than forcing myself to learn the foot change.
Sometimes its hard to force yourself to try & learn new stuff because you keep falling off, whereas you know if you went & got the twin tip out you'd be blasting about doing jumps n stuff instead of body dragging back to your surfboard.

to force myself to learn strapless i only took my surfboard to the beach and also left the straps at home. i live 90mins' drive from hayling so there was no going back to swap to a twinnie :-)

i found that riding heel one way and toe the other knackered the muscles in my rear leg!


richard - if it does have a rail then go for it. at least with a skim you have a narrow rail to help give the edge. i thought a knee would have too rounded a rail...

paul.
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Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:36 am

gillstah wrote: richard - if it does have a rail then go for it. at least with a skim you have a narrow rail to help give the edge. i thought a knee would have too rounded a rail...
paul.
Once-again, without others around to bounce ideas off I've had to learn the hard way, yes this knee-board has a very distinctive rail with small channels at the back and hopefully won't accelerate like the flat and stiff skims I've had a go with.

These days I rarely fall-off, whilst the prospect of riding strapless excites me the rigours of learning don't and I can't afford a lot of falling-off. The safest days will be side-shore but I have to learn in an ass-kicking shore break so picking and choosing mean I'm not getting many opportunities.

Low tide on a neap seems best.
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Does anyone have any video clips that will help us with the turns on directionals. Likewise I have been carving it up on a twin tip and looking a pratt on my new North Bullet.

Hero to Zero in one day !
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Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:32 pm

I was nailing about 8 out of 10 gybes today, one thing I noticed, with right foot forward I switch before, with left foot forward I switch after, need to be able to switch both before I think, so going out, left foot forward, I wanna switchjust after I go over a wave, so I can nail the next one 8)

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Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:09 am

Is it possible to do this without being very 'pen-toed' ? At least half of my gybing problem comes from poor flexibility around the hips though on the other hand if I pushed the buggers a little more they may-well work better. Also, once I get started I think I'll invent my own-way round.
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:49 am

you can do a little pop off the board to switch stances... probably involves more hip rotation that going pigeon-toed though :?

i was trying this on friday and it's not too bad if the water is not too choppy and as long as the board is flat and you're not holding an edge (ie kite high and bearing off slightly).

you just look a bit of a tit if you mess it up (which i did, several times :-)

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Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:28 am

gillstah wrote: you just look a bit of a tit if you mess it up (which i did, several times :-)

paul.
I'm not quite sure why I'm unconcerned about looking like a learner with all that falling-off and chasing, what does concern me is how quickly I get knackered and the real possibility of me needing help to get back up the pebble bank after one of those sessions. :-D

I think I'll need to leave-it until after the school holidays now, the few opportunities summer brings are often aborted when I just can't get-away from people and kids. A 20 knots cool sideshore wind usually thins-Em-out.

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