I'm amazed.....

Shoot the breeze and stay in the loop with the unhinged and unhooked word on the street.
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mike dubs
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After a great early session this morning at Camber, I stayed for 30 mins to chat to the guys in the Kitesurf centre, during this time I was amazed at what I saw/heard from about 10 or so people who turned up and ask the guys how windy it was? and would they be ok on a 10m (it was blowing 27-32 knots at this time and I'd been very powered on my 7m), several other conversations were similar as 9/10 m were peoples smallest kite or they hadn't brought they're smallest ones! (why!!), lots had no idea that the forecast was for it to get windier! or when high/low tide was!

I would strongly advice anyone kiting to do the basics in prep and equipment as it will otherwise lead to potentially dangerous situations for you/others.

Understand tide times
look at the forecasts and understand what will happen to wind strength/direction while you'll be out
Take all your kites (why would you leave any behind, as sods law will come into effect)
If 9/10m is your smallest buy a 6/7m if an older 2nd hand one is safer than a kite that's too big
Understand high/low tide times and the difference Springs/Neaps makes.

Not intend to lecture, but after shaking my head in the car for an hour on the way back. I thought I'd put something up on the Forum.

Mike
broraboyan
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There is two reason for this, you have too many thieving b@@tards and if it's too windy or not to windy for 9/10m it's nor worth going out. I have 4 kites 3 boards, that covers every wind for me.
thetrash
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Don't just judge on kite size, I'm at least 100kgs and a 9m is fine for my smallest kite. If it's too windy for a 9m I don't want to go out!
mike dubs
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That's fine but doesn't explain why people aren't looking at the forecast/ tides or bringing all their kites and knowing what the current wind speed is.

No pilot/ HG or PG pilot would go out without checking NOTAMs or weather.

Mike

PS these weren't big guys either.
JGTR
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mike dubs wrote:That's fine but doesn't explain why people aren't looking at the forecast/ tides or bringing all their kites and knowing what the current wind speed is.

No pilot/ HG or PG pilot would go out without checking NOTAMs or weather.

Mike

PS these weren't big guys either.
Maybe just because they aren't as experienced as you......?? Its taken me years to get a real appreciation of weather/tides/seasons/forecasts and how they all affect each other and even now I still get it wrong. Also a lot of people really struggle to get out regularly and can't afford loads of kites so have to make the most of it - and to be fair I've been out on a 6m when others have been on 12s so kite size isn't always the be all and end all.
mike dubs
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Which is why I posted this to try and help give some guidance, but as it appears I'm in the minority I will leave everyone to do their thing and learn from their own experience.

Mike
Yorkshireboy
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Agree you should always check the tides/forecast. But maybe they were double-checking when they got to the beach?

The forecasts are often way off (certainly have been up here in Scotland lately) so asking the guys who are already at the beach gives a lot better info. I'd be more worried about someone rocking up at the beach in 35 knots with an ancient 14m without talking to anyone.

Also, 30 knots is within the top end of many 9m kites if you know what you're doing (or if you're a cart horse).

I turned up at the beach today expecting 30-40 knots (per forecast) but it was more like 15-30 knots. We went out on 7s as there were a few nasty squalls about but spent most of the time massively underpowered. Should have gone to the pub instead :roll:
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aquilone
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I don’t think that you are in a minority in the sense that people are disagreeing with you.
You asked a valid question: why aren’t people better prepared?

One answer given is that they are likely not as experienced as you. As pointed out by JGTR it takes a long time to develop an appreciation for the conditions. I know it took me much trial and error to figure out which websites to trust and how they translate to the beaches I use and how reliable they are at varying conditions. And just like you I bring all my kit because you never really know (hopefully too old and crappy to nick! but it is a worry). And when you use a new location it’s even harder to know, and frankly there is no substitute to asking the regulars, not just for conditions but also for a ‘risk assessment’ of the site– submerged wreck anyone?
Similarly I have been out on 25knot winds on a 10m surrounded by people on 7/8/9/12 and even a 13m kite (big guy!) all having a great time.
So it’s hard to call, brands, boards and body weight can add up to quite a kite size range.
The people who were asking the questions yesterday had probably travelled down and on realising that the conditions were not right were hoping that someone would somehow say that it would be OK. In a way I am glad that these people came in asked rather than just set-up and ‘give it a shot’.

You are right in raising this on a forum, as it might make some kiters plan ahead better, but at the beach the only thing you can do is give them the benefit of your experience.
broraboyan
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By knowing your gear instead and reading the weather at that point and time only you know what kite to use. I sometimes kite 1hour or so away from my local spot, there's usually a guy there that is always there when it's windy, if he's on a 12m I'm on the 17m, if he's on a 6m I'm on the 9m that's just by knowing what he's using as I've been there so much. Having a wind meter is always handy when starting out I've found and knowing the limits of each kite when coming in and checking the wind speed if it's too windy or not all this chat still doesn't explain why people turn up with one kite, ive only done this once I took 3 kites and I should have taken the 4th it was the smallest one I needed. If your only coming out to play with one kite, your better off staying at home, it's a wasted journey otherwise
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Does your head in. You'll tell them it's too much. They set up and they will ask for a launch and wonder why you say no....
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You're spot on and it's getting worse and there is a very good reason why.

Back in the day most of the early take up was from windsurfers who'd had a few years of matching their sail size to given conditions and even now the rough rule of thumb is to double up. If it was 6 mtr weather then 12mtr kite would do it, then it all got a bit more rangier with the bigger depower of the bowmo generation and now..

Camber? seriously don't go near the place it's a nightmare, accidents everywhere just waiting to happen and take you out with them.

I don't even see anyone waving anemometers (dead give away that they can't read the water so are newish but at least sensible).

Folk take a good couple of years of regular riding and a variety of conditions and venues before a complete newcomer gets to 'read' the water, so all they are faced with is watching what everyone else is using, which doesn't necessary take into account the board size that folk might be using either. The only good point about that at least surf board riders do tend to canvas down so there isn't the oversizing going on, on the water there once was.

But you do make a sound point.

And weather channel for Camber? Use XC weather, which gives a live feed from Lydd and a half decent forecast which I've found pretty reliable over recent times.
mike dubs
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There is now a wind meter on a house up the beach. It reads about 3-5 knots over as its on a roor. Go to windguru camber sands and its on the live feed spot tab.

But yeah I avoid at weekends, I seem to have had the place to myself last 3 months.

Mike
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Yep that's Matt Packs house and it does read a tad over and there's no prediction up or down going forward like XC.
mike dubs
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I didn't realise, I know Matt Pack, met him a few times when I was in the City, he of Holiday extras.

Mike

PS yeah XC is good relied on it when I flew HG and PGs
eazyrider
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Some of the things you hear in that shop amaze me...

Think about it, they turn up at the beach and then ask what the winds doing, the beach is just over that shingle bank mate... a wind meter costs nothing well 20 quid and by the time it breaks you can start guessing what size kite to put up.

I was in there one when someone phoned from greatstone beach and asked "it's about 18mph, I have an 8m and 17m what kite should I put up?"

Another person was asking about lessons and when told it would take him months to learn everything, he laughed and said seriously "I've done kayaking and climbing and this kitesurfing is just ropes and water"

Attitudes like this really don't help the cause at all.
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