Irresponsible Kitesurf Shops

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BrightonSurf
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:02 pm

Met a lady who had just taken lessons and was still in the phases of getting used to flying the kite/bodydragging and she asked me to look to see if her kite was set up correctly as she was really very new to the sport. Was surprised to see she was flying a high aspect boosting kite - the Liquid Force NRG. As far as I know this is high aspect ratio kite targeted for boosting big air and not suitable for beginners, especially not for those getting used to kite flying. Thought she must have got it on EBay, turns out she went into a shop wanting to buy a Liquid Force Envy (low aspect kite) which she had read online was good for beginners and was told she should buy the (brand new) NRG instead! This is a clear example of some asshole running a shop unloading stock he cant sell on a beginner who doesnt know what they are buying. You know who you are and you should be totally ashamed of yourself.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:32 pm

Or (highly unlikely) he knows jack sh*t!?
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:53 am

It's been going on for years, selling what you've got rather than what is appropriate.

Just as bad are the second hand sales on this forum, e-bay or the beach. A way to get rid of your stuff is to describe it as suitable for beginners.

Some beginners are very suited to jumping right in at the deep end and because every board salesman was sold a 130 X 40 as suitable for a beginner that size board is now established as Ok for a learner regardless of their size.
BrightonSurf
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Blast wrote:Or (highly unlikely) he knows jack sh*t!?
I think they know exactly what they are doing. They are a fairly well known shop on the south coast who post on this forum. This is what the Liquid Force website say about the NRG:

"The NRG Go Sky high - Ready to boost big? The NRG is your kite. The high-aspect shape creates loft in jumps, and can easily lift a rider who is just sheeted in on the bar. This is a kite that doesn’t even require loading and popping the board to send it."

This is what the website says about the kite she went into there to buy:

"Stable Flight - The Envy is the perfect choice for schools or beginner kiters because of it’s uncanny ability to stay in the sky – it’s a forgiving kite that lets kiters make mistakes without consequences in the air or on the board."

So they talked her out of buying the correct kite and ended up selling a kite that could seriously injure or kill her. She is a total beginner who isnt even getting on the board and getting used to flying the kite.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:21 pm

Have you told her about the unsuitability of the kite? If I were her I'd be back in the shop asking for a refund and if one wasn't forthcoming I'd be on the phone to Trading Standards although I'm sure there's better people on this forum to advise (North Wind) on wether that would be the correct course of action.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:56 pm

JamesVegas wrote:Have you told her about the unsuitability of the kite? If I were her I'd be back in the shop asking for a refund and if one wasn't forthcoming I'd be on the phone to Trading Standards although I'm sure there's better people on this forum to advise (North Wind) on wether that would be the correct course of action.
3 people on the beach told her this was not a suitable kite for a beginner. Inspite of this she seemed very eager to get out on the water having completed her lessons, She tried to do a bit of body dragging with it, but after it had ripped her out of the water a couple of times in the 20 knot + winds she came back in and landed it and went home. Thankfully she did not lose control of the kite since it could have easily lofted her in those conditions and smashed her on the beach. If I had have known more about this kite I probably would have done more to persuade her not to launch it at all.

She may well have returned it since there is one for sale with the same colours/size on the shops website in the second hand section now.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:22 pm

but its still a bow kite, which has loads of depower, so is it really that bad?

back in the day people learnt on 2 line kites... shock horror...

just common sence at the end of the day,
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:31 pm

ali wrote:but its still a bow kite, which has loads of depower, so is it really that bad?

back in the day people learnt on 2 line kites... shock horror...

just common sence at the end of the day,
My thoughts originally but given the choice I think that a shop should sell the most suitable equipment, common sense :lol: If you read the LF website its pretty obvious that the NRG is the least suitable of their range.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:22 pm

Name and shame.
I was in shoreham on Friday and think I saw the person you are mentionning.

Was it the orange/yellowish kite?
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:36 pm

Name and shame.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:46 pm

Hmm, you could name and shame but be wary of the law etc..not being funny but in these days of 'easy win' lawyers things can get a bit nasty.

Not surprised the Lady concerned was eager to get out, met loads of people like that in different activities. Fact you can advise some people and they still go and buy unsuitable gear.

Least you told her, if she wont listen then that's up to her.

Looked at the NRG myself, looks a beast of a kite. My first 'real' kite was my Taboo 12mtr, that's got plenty of poke. How was the Ladies Kite skills? I would be more concerned about that. Even a sensible sized suitable kite will cane arse if the wind gets beyond limits.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:57 pm

I dont really want to name and shame them because I dont know the full story. They are a fairly well known shop and for all I know it might have been some kid who works there part time who just decided it would be a good idea to try to sell a high aspect kite designed for boosting to a total beginner or something. The lady was a total novice wanted me to check her kite was set up correctly and also was asking me about the depower strap, she had lessons but was very much at the learning to fly a kite phase of learning.

Yes it was at Shoreham on friday, I was on the green and black VarialX. Last year I saw a beginner at Shoreham who was body dragging with a North Rebel (also a high aspect kite designed for jumping) get lifted out of the water and slammed on the beach in about 17 knots of winds while losing control of his kite and sending it back in the wind window. He was covered in blood and had seriously f****d up his shoulder and was taken away in an ambulance, it was lucky he landed on his shoulder and not his head or we could have been looking at another fatality locally. So I totally disagree with the idea that all non-C kites are fine for beginners because they have good depower at the bar, if he had been on an Evo he would not have been ripped out the water like that.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:26 pm

if he had been on an Evo he would not have been ripped out the water like that.
Not sure I agree with that, any kite has the potential to be dangerous. We teach with Evos and Neos and from experience both have the potential to get you moving in an uncontrolled manner pretty easily in 17 knots, even when undersized for the wind conditions.

Ali has a point in that all kites are alot safer than a few years ago, learning on the highest aspect modern kite is far more safer than beginners kites from a few years back but still a retailer should be able to advise on the most suitable kite from what is available and from reading the sales blurb about the NRG its obviously not the most suitable.......but there may be more to the story and as with most things in the kite industry there is alot of backstabbing/bad mouthing so best to take things with a pinch if salt.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:58 pm

Whilst isn't an ideal kite for learning I wouldn't call it dangerous, particularly compared to kites a few years ago. If your getting lofted then it's likely that they had a kite too large of the conditions and their skill level. The size hasn't been mentioned this thread and any kite can loft you if handled incorrectly.

I am not sure that this is deserving of the Daily Mail style moral outrage of this thread.....
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:22 am

[quote="paulie_amoose]

I am not sure that this is deserving of the Daily Mail style moral outrage of this thread.....[/quote]

Oh come now, when have we ever needed a good excuse for a good olde burning at the stake?

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