Low profile, minimalistic waist harness suggestions?

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What is different about the RDP stuff... again developed by a windsurfer which was the template for all harnesses up to this point. That's not to say its the wrong approach, but Engine and Coleman (slingshot aside) came at it from a different perspective to create a 'new' product with regards to shape, fit etc.

Need more details and not just one picture - from the picture it looks like the NP stuff, which is not a bad thing?
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Take a look at episode 3 of the surf expose round up on the kiteshow website. Dakine look to have a compact hard shell harness coming too.
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Stevez wrote:Take a look at episode 3 of the surf expose round up on the kiteshow website. Dakine look to have a compact hard shell harness coming too.
Pretty sure Engine is working with Dakine?
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The windsurfer developed the windsurfer harness, the kiteboard harness was developed by Youri Zoon, the key feature the Engine programme had was that it was custom fit, whatever bullshit they're now feeding you, it ain't custom fit anymore, the boy done sold out and Slingshot bought the rights to the trading name.

So it'll be just like any other harness you tries it on and you takes your chance.

Only more expensively than before.
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Oh and are there not more pictures on that fb page, not that anyone should buy a harness based on pictures or BS, try them on, try as many of them on as is feasible, get them wrong they can really f*ck your back especially waist harnesses.
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GRF wrote:not that anyone should buy a harness based on pictures or BS, try them on, try as many of them on as is feasible, get them wrong they can really f*ck your back especially waist harnesses.
Sour grapes aside as I wonder how this and affiliation to a brand might alter ones punting or otherwise of products. I hate to agree with you Grumpf (even though I find myself increasingly doing so) but this ^^ is it, without trying on harnesses (and wetsuits, etc, etc) how the hell does one know if they even fit let alone 'work', hence my original question regarding getting some in the UK (or even somewhere in Europe as I travel a lot).

GRF is clearly going to punt 'his' brand and how do I know @JohnB does not have some affiliation with rideengine or slingshot.

It would appear the ride engine concept has some mileage and the RDP might but equally what do I have in common with Youri Zoon or other superstars all I want is a harness which fits me properly and doesn't ride up, the rest is just marketing?!

I've done 30+ windsurfing harnesses before changing and on my 3rd kite harness in just over a year in the sport and nothing works all round!

So I guess its time to just hang on for feedback from multiple people on both and/or trying one of them on.
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My affiliations are well known if you read my posts - Airush and Shinn 8)

I'm a geek at heart and read as much as I can and the idea of the Engine really appeals to me - I had decided to go the custom route, but Coleman had stopped to focus on this. From what I can read he is very much involved in the design and not just simply sold the concept to the Man.

What I did find interesting was the design philosophy behind kitesurf harnesses - based on windsurfing and not kitesurfing. It's good that Youri is involved in the RDP stuff, but beyond being an ace rider what other qualities does he bring (albeit with Brunotti... and their range of harnesses?). Yes I agree the custom angle at Engine was good, but it's the solid framed concept, the ultra low profile that are really different. The single biggest issue with it now is going to be sizing, but with literally hundreds of moulds of actual peoples backs/waists then there has to be lessons learned and applied.

After a fair few harnesses from lots of brands with none really hitting the mark (the NP Flash is close) I'm just really excited about this product.

Enthusiasm, ethos and etiquette goes a long way for me when considering products... carnaptious cynicism and negative , outdated attitudes covered with a veneer of humour don't
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@ JohnB look forward to your views when you get one, I am pretty much sold on one just want to try one on!!
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I have had a custom moulded engine harness for nearly 2.5 yrs now (I think mine was number 17), he couldn't keep up with demand hence the 7 nations hook up. Mass produced isn't as good as custom obviously, but he has kept the rigid shell mouldable back support and great simple spreader and attachments on the mass production ones.He has also used the couple of hundred back mouldings to create more defined shapes for the various sizes, all of which equals a better harness that the standard offerings.

My understanding is he will do a custom fit version too at a higher price. I have kited for 16 yrs and went through harnesses rapidly trying all sorts but could never stop the twist and ride up. I have hundreds of sessions on my Engine as I ride anytime it's windy and wavy and it still doesn't slip, twist or ride up, it's super comfy, low profile so doesn't get in the way. The cabrbon spreader, two loop attachment and slider are super strong and simple. The rigid she'll doesn't collapse on your ribs and transfers power efficiently.

I've no affiliation but the production ones will work and feel great I'm sure, certainly better than the da kines, ion, etc etc I've had before. Buy one without doubt or wait and splash out bigger bucks on a custom one, he's still got my back mould and if mine wears out I'll order another without hesitation.

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P.S just to annoy people who worked today, I had 2hrs on a 7m x shore 6-8 ft DTL Camber today with just 4 others.... Lovely!
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I have the same problem ....using an old North Styler - fits really well quite narrow which suits me - all the rest just seem too wide l have to do try on soon see if anything is comfortable
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Well personally I'm not a great fan of waist harnesses, they don't work that well for my body shape so I tend to seat and it was down to me that shorts harness got developed. Even back in the day, i used to use a waist with a seat belt, the trouble comes kiting when up in the air with the lower hook height it's more difficult to control landings with more above the hook than below. But edging hard is easier which again is old school riding technique, so we are all different in our harness requirements, but the post required minimalistic, and that new RDP harness is exactly that, so I chipped in. In truth they'll probably sell on price given they're likely to be 30 odd percent more reasonable than the current trend in harness pricing, but wether they'll suit everyone, most definitely not.
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If you're getting through 30+ harnesses then pretty evident that you just don't suit waist harnesses, they are what they are, there is enough choice on the market to suit all riders.....think you need a seat harness or one of the cross over harnesses.

Most of what has been said is just the usual marketing hype.
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JGTR wrote:If you're getting through 30+ harnesses then pretty evident that you just don't suit waist harnesses.
Not really as I like waist harnesses and think I've had enough water time over the years to qualify this opinion certainly pole dancing, I find a seat horrible I've tried a good 15 variations on seat as well (pole dancing though only a few kiting - non of which i've owned). As I windsurfed for 24 years from the age of 9 and was full time instructor for some of those (i.e had a chance to try a lot of harnesses) trying 30+ harnesses is not a huge amount no least as was growing quite a lot for some of the period and for other bits had access to a lot of center and other peoples harnesses (Perhaps 'done' was a poor choice of word).

What I am getting at is non did the job 100% of the time and each had good and bad points, e.g. I still have 2 of the 3 kite harnesses I brought. The pro limit one is ideal for wave riding and light jumping but does ride up a little, it does not however offer the back support of the da kine renadge i've got which does not ride up at all until I crash or screw up jumping when it rides up and won't come down again :lol:

The ride engine concept could very well be what I am looking for?

The mystic warrior (or something) was god awful, felt fine in the shop but in reality plop for me!
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Bumping the thread back up, found this video on the new dakine harness. Will need to take a trip to a kiteshop to try this and the rideengine on next year.

https://vimeo.com/140273215
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The whole concept with Engine and its MAIN selling point was that you had a custom moulded harness.

The tie up with Slingshot/Moonshine Manufacturing takes that concept of a UNIQUE fit and fucks it off.

YES you get a stiff well fitting harness but it is now not the product that people originally loved, its an evolved and mass produced product, granted it probably is super comfy and fits well but custom fit it isn't.

And that the problem, Engine built the brand and their name on that and now doesn't deliver.

Given the tie up with Slingy and the proximity of Dakine to the Slingshot head office and the history of collaboration between Sling and Dakine I wonder where exactly the Engine harness are built?

Just looking at it there is a clear resemblance certainly in the finishing and fittings that are shared.

he'll that's not a bad thing, I just think its pretty funny when yau see retailers frothing that this is the holy grail and everything else is Shite and just an old windsurf harness.

They all seemed pretty happy to sell you that stuff for the last god knows how long, short memories or lack of scruples when it comes to selling the latest must have?

Anyway its a shot in the arm to update and change something thats not seen much innovation other than higher prices year on year so maybe its what the industry/the customer needs..
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