North Quad Bar Safety

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ChrisP3
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Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:57 pm

Hi all,

just looking for a bit of guidance. I had lessons over the summer and am now looking for a kite and bar. My instructor advised to go for a kite / bar where the quick release will flag the kite to one front line as this is safest and totally depowers the kite unlike some of the 2 line flagging systems.

I was wondering how the North Quad system compares for safety / depower when the QR is activated. From my understanding, North use a different system to any other manufacturer which flags the kite to the 2 back lines, although I'm not sure my understanding of the system is totally correct.

I'd like to stick to a 4 line kite and was looking at something like a 2013 Best Kahoona but might be able to get hold of a 2011ish Evo at a more affordable price. I'd rather have a safer system even if it does cost a bit more money though.

Thanks

Chris
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Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:31 pm

Hi Chris, the North Quad bar system works pretty much the same as all other 4 line bars in that it releases to the front two lines (not the back) when you activate the QR, the bar slides up the depower line to a stopper which will allow the kite to flag on its front lines with no tension in the rear ones. Most kites these days use 4 lines and I wouldn't hesitate to fly a modern (2008 onwards) 4 line kite

Both kites you mention are great first kites. I flew Evos for 4 years and loved them - they will also work on 4 or 5 line bars...

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Matt
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Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:17 pm

Thanks very much for clarifying that Matt.

I'm guessing that the North system therefore wouldn't depower 100% unlike those that flag to a single front line?

Cheers

Chris
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Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:43 pm

ChrisP3 wrote:Thanks very much for clarifying that Matt.

I'm guessing that the North system therefore wouldn't depower 100% unlike those that flag to a single front line?

Cheers

Chris
'100% depower' doesn't exist mate, but you are right in that flagging wholly to one line should in theory be safer than a two-line/ mini-fifth line system.

Don't discount 5-line systems either. I fly Evos on 5 lines as - like you - I'm very safety conscious. Plus, like most North kites, Evos fly on 4 or 5 lines so you've got the option of both systems (and you can convert Norths 5-line bar to 4-line with a conversion kit).


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Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:18 am

the north quad bar safety is a bit of a joke to be honest. as is any "mini 5th" style safety system. it only does the same as pushing the bar out. in any real dangerous situation, this isnt going to provide any extra safety or depower.

its also terrible for doing self rescue packdowns.

stay away from the quad bar IMO. get something with a single line flag out which will actually depower the kite in an emergency
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Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:58 am

Thanks for the advice and clarification. I'll be making sure I get something that flags to a single front line.

I've noticed some Slingshot Z kites for reasonable money complete with bar and lines. My only concern is that they don't have a swivel on the front lines unlike other set ups. Is this a potential safety issue or just a performance one and is it something I'll need as I improve?

Thanks again,

Chris
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Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:09 pm

ChrisP3 wrote:Thanks for the advice and clarification. I'll be making sure I get something that flags to a single front line.

I've noticed some Slingshot Z kites for reasonable money complete with bar and lines. My only concern is that they don't have a swivel on the front lines unlike other set ups. Is this a potential safety issue or just a performance one and is it something I'll need as I improve?

Thanks again,

Chris
Gotta say I'm impressed by your thorough research before buying! Most newbies come on here having already bought a Toro/Black Tip/Wipika special and not understanding why they're not safe to use...

Front line swivels...not a safety issue. Tbh, never used mine (I just mow the lawn though, so don't really have the occasion to loop the kite so much I need to unswivel the front lines).

I'd say it's way down on your list of priorities as a new kiter - a 'nice to have' rather than a 'must have'. As long as you aim to buy something suitable for beginners/intermediates and less than 3 years old in good nick, you'll be hard-pressed to buy something unsafe.
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Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:35 pm

ali wrote:the north quad bar safety is a bit of a joke to be honest. as is any "mini 5th" style safety system. it only does the same as pushing the bar out. in any real dangerous situation, this isnt going to provide any extra safety or depower.
That's a pretty misleading statement. It's true the principle is the same but it is like saying putting your foot on the brakes in your car is no different to pulling the handbrake.
ali wrote:its also terrible for doing self rescue packdowns.
I can't argue with that one as I've never had to pack down on a 4 line set up..... but then I have had to pack down due to bow ties which I may not have needed to do if I had 4 lines instead of 5.

Personally I prefer 5 lines as have to I self launch / land alot (plus now I've moved over to Vegas kites I don't have a choice!) but I don't think a newbie should be scared off from a modern 4 line setup.
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Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:58 pm

rakeem15 wrote:Gotta say I'm impressed by your thorough research before buying! Most newbies come on here having already bought a Toro/Black Tip/Wipika special and not understanding why they're not safe to use...
Cheers! I actually had a few lessons about 7 or 8 years ago and got into a bit of difficulty which convinced me to stick to windsurfing at the time :oops:

Now that the kit is so much safer, I decided I had unfinished business but am very much aware of the potential for disaster so am keen to ensure maximum safety. I've also seen a few fellow beginners turn up at lessons over the summer with the ebay specials you mention :roll:

I know someone who swears by North Rebels but as I learned on 4 line kites, I want to stick with them. Maybe the Slingshot Z is worth a bit more research although I'm feeling the Kahoona V5 is favourite at the moment unless something else comes up! Sometimes I wish there was less choice.
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Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:31 pm

Just spotted you're in Christchurch. I usually kite off Southbourne. Do you normally wind-surf at Avon Beach/Steamer Point? Been thinking of trying that way at some point.

Rebels are supposed to be great too btw. If you want to know more about the North quad bar, give Bracklesham Boardriders a shout (or pop over to see them for a demo, about an hour's drive from Christchurch).
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rakeem15 wrote:Just spotted you're in Christchurch. I usually kite off Southbourne. Do you normally wind-surf at Avon Beach/Steamer Point? Been thinking of trying that way at some point.

Rebels are supposed to be great too btw. If you want to know more about the North quad bar, give Bracklesham Boardriders a shout (or pop over to see them for a demo, about an hour's drive from Christchurch).
Yep, usually Avon but do use Steamer / Christchurch Windsurfing Club in the summer sea breezes. Both great spots, Avon is fantastic in a SW.
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Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:03 am

I had only ever used the single line flag which has worked well for me the couple of times I've had to use it. I paired a north trust quad (two line flag) with a north evo. Before I even got into the water didn't like the idea of flagging to two lines, seemed obvious the kite would keeps its concave shape with the two front lines attached, I tested the safety system twice in a somewhat controlled environment and found that both times the kite flipped over but barely depowered. If I am pulling the chicken loop and essentially giving up 100 per cent steering/control I want a solid depower otherwise it's horrible trade off... A bunch of random kitters on the beach were interested and watched me test it, they were amazed at how powered the kite remains after you pull the chicken loop... I will never ride with a bar that flags on two lines...curious if anyone prefers the two line flag?
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