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davetaff
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:41 pm

Hi all, I really want to start doing some old school tricks such as the darkslide, Jesus walk etc. How I view it is that the kite movements are all quite similar. You need to get just enough lift so you're suspended a little off the water then you can boardoff/spin or whatever, then you have to kite loop out. (If I'm wrong please correct) I know all the points like slow kite movement, powered up then kiteloop at the edge of the window but I'm finding it had to put this into practice. My kite doesn't seem to give me much lift unless I really through it and when I loop it seems to fly right across the middle of the window which rips me off my board.

I'm not that experienced and I'm flying a 9m zeeko notus. Could someone give me some points on what to practice and the steps involved so I can reach my goal. e.g. Should I just practice looping my kite and the edge of the window first. Also are there any particular kites out there that are good for these types of old school tricks

Hard questions to answer I know, but will appreciate any advice. Thanks all.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:44 pm

You need more power captain!
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:10 pm

Flat water and a bigger kite help, and as tone says you need to be powered and going fast. The back roll hand dragger is a good place to start as the movement is more natural and harder to under commit. I still can't get my head round dark slides but its probably more of a psychological block about throwing my self over the front of the board at speed. :-D
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:12 pm

Ye, these tricks do look supercool, I'd love to get them in my (limited) repertoire!
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Dragnfly
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:14 pm

Do you still chuck a loop with the backroll hand dragger.

There's a great vid on utube of a guy learning the Jesus walk - well worth a look - and it's quite funny.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:32 pm

That's your answer for everythng Tone :roll:

Start by sending kite back slowly across top of window and getting just enough power to do little jumps - you're aiming to literally skim across the top of the water and not actually jump, kinda weightless if the makes sense. Practice getting lift just by moving kite across window rather than loading and sending kite.

Then instead of redirecting kite forward as per a normal jump carry on sending kite back and when its nearing the edge of the window pull really hard on the bar to loop it - if you time it right the loop won't have lots of power as the kite is at the edge of the window but as the kite comes round you will get a nice tug which will pull you out of whatever move you have attempted.

With these kind of moves you are aiming to keep your forward momentum while using the kite to keep you "hovering" off the water - if you don't loop the kite then you'll just come to a stop with the kite behind you. You don't have to loop the kite instead just redirect it but I find it easier to chuck a loop in.

But hey, what do I know :lol:
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:33 pm

throwing my self over the front of the board at speed. :-D
I knwo that one! mate said just commit and throw your body forward - just couldn't do it for some reason :x
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:20 pm

Dragnfly wrote:Do you still chuck a loop with the backroll hand dragger.

There's a great vid on utube of a guy learning the Jesus walk - well worth a look - and it's quite funny.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:47 pm

Jay, I had typed something more meaningful and helpful but my work proxy blocked it...

OP I do have a photo sequence of the hand drag back roll and front roll... Will try and post them up on here later.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:38 pm

Got a light wind vid of the hand drag back roll, not brill but gives you an idea of the kite movement.....maybe :?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKwWZzp ... BB151DD4E0
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:56 pm

Hey Dave,
Vid here with a hand drag (and I was on a Zeeko Notus too)
Next time your down just give me a shout, hand drags are relatively easy...the darkslide is getting there though :wink:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-zLYo3lSuI[/youtube]
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:05 pm

What a great response. Glad I'm not the only one that loves these types of tricks. Thanks JGTR, that is exactly what I wanted. Now I've got something to focus on instead of hoping for the best. One question, once you've pulled the kite back, it will be behind the original direction of travel. Is it eaier to travel in the same direction or back the other way?
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:18 pm

I likes backloop hand drags...
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Start with the kite quite high but still in front of you so its pulling you along. Send it up slowly with your back hand & as you feel the lift leeean way back, drag your hand & do the slowest back roll you can get away with :wink:
Once the kite has gone over the top of the window - loop it hard but still high :-) Your aiming for enough power to kill the spin & lift you UP & back to your feet - not rip you out of your harness :twisted: You can do a hand drag without a loop, but you do need a bit more power to get the lift. This is best done as a transition, because the kite ends up over the other side of the window anyway.... Loads of variations.

The darkslide is not dissimilar in terms of what your doing with the kite. In this pic I'm just starting the slide.
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Start with the kite a bit lower than for the backloop & loop it sooner so it goes through the power more - you dont need to be lifted up as much to do a darkslide & you need more poke from the loop to get you back up on your feet. Commit to a nice smooth 'kite high' kiteloop, but instead of edging like a b#std & popping like you normally would for a regular loop, feel for the pull starting & just lean forward into it & think about dragging your toes along the water. The better your timing the further you can lean forward & still have the kite catch you at the end without falling on your face! :wink: Dont try to hold your line - you are going down wind with the kite here. As the kite is looping high it'll lift you up into the air at the end & give you a split second to do a grab or a switch to toeside.... it makes an interesting way to start a transition.

Power wise, you just need a 'nice' amount of power. Not so much that the loop becomes a test of manhood, but enough that it's effective to pull you out of the trick at the end. If you have depower pulled on, then you have too much kite. It's easier on bigger kites like 12m - the loops are slower & less aggressive. Flat water & constant wind makes low level loop tricks much easier to time.

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Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:08 am

[quote="Blast"]Hey Dave,
Vid here with a hand drag (and I was on a Zeeko Notus too)
Next time your down just give me a shout, hand drags are relatively easy...the darkslide is getting there though :wink:

Nice one marc, I'd really appreciate some pointers. It's hard to see what I'm doing wrong when I'm being dragged through the water :wink:

Thanks gonzo, some great things to take on board there. Can't wait to get out and give it a go now. Just whish there was some wind :roll:
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:56 am

davetaff wrote:What a great response. Glad I'm not the only one that loves these types of tricks. Thanks JGTR, that is exactly what I wanted. Now I've got something to focus on instead of hoping for the best. One question, once you've pulled the kite back, it will be behind the original direction of travel. Is it eaier to travel in the same direction or back the other way?
Transitions are slightly different.

With darkslides etc you want to keep your forward momentum so it looks like you are "floating" across the top of the water. You need to loop the kite at the end or it would just go to the edge of the window, lose power and do nothing - by looping it youre bringing it back into the wind window.

With a transition you need to edge to stop your forward momentum, bring kite across to give you a bit of height and you from sinking and at the right moment redirect kite other way before you start to sink.
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