Ride Engine harnesses - any problems?

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So having brought into the hype I visited FC watersports in Poole took out a second mortgage and purchased a medium one with small bar.

After about 10 crippling uses I decided it was too big and took it back, hats off to FC couldn't recommend them more they exchanged for a small.

Similar problems with this one though after 6 or 7 goes massively bad back having to get off the water within 2 hours, stomach muscle pain after a session like I've never had before, keeps undoing itself, rib pain. Really not what I was led to believe :oops:

Any one else had such problems? I know from FC's honesty that about 20% of people they just don't fit but mine does seem to :?
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I do think fit and placement are super important when choosing and wearing the RE? I was a small in other harnesses and would cinch them up as tight as possible at times, but with the RE I’m in a medium with 10” bar. Also you need to wear it above your hips – make sure it is not too high or low on your body. As for it coming loose are you doubling the webbing back on itself – there are videos of how to do it online or pop into FC and speak to Justin? A few of us have them up here and really like them – although I did have to sort out the fit on a couple of people and we have one guy who is struggling but coming from a seat harness. I personally love it – the freedom of movement is great and it never budges on me?

What harness did you have before and what is your fitness like? I think that some harnesses might be difficult to jump from as they have made people over reliant on the support they provide and they haven’t developed the core strength required (like guy coming from seat harness). I’ve tried to use as small/soft a harness as possible before as I wanted to be more reliant on my core strength that some huge piece of thermoformed plastic... I also think these lead to poor technique with things like jumping as people don’t engage their core right to get explosive power but that’s another discussion!
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First paragraph it is correctly fitted and have doubled up etc spoken to guys at FC its not that.

Fitness wise, very! In the past I've had (waist harnesses) Da kine renegade and pro limit predator which I used again today and lasted 4 hours with no pain no riding up.
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#ed wrote:First paragraph it is correctly fitted and have doubled up etc spoken to guys at FC its not that.

Fitness wise, very! In the past I've had (waist harnesses) Da kine renegade and pro limit predator which I used again today and lasted 4 hours with no pain no riding up.
Maybe just not right for you :cry:
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Slider or hook?

They recommend the 10" bar mostly. I've read feedback saying the medium harness with the 8" is somewhat of an irregularity for their fit. Have a feel of your lower back/spine shape and compare it to the dish in the back, as John says it may not fit your body. It's "averaged" from all the customs coleman made over the years.

T'is a risk until they do custom moulds again. Since the price rise i'm now looking at a manera/dakine c1.
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Undoubtedly great harnesses but their main selling point is that they fit everyone - which they don't because no harness will fit everyone. If you had the sizing and fit verified then as said they are just not for you - I don't think changing the size or using a different bar would make a significant difference.
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@JGTR and @stevez

TBH I had pretty much worked out it wasn't for me after switching back to my old harness today. The medium with big bar didn't fit the excellent chaps at FC sorted this much and if one thing has come out of the process it is not to buy a RE harness online but go and get it fitted.

The dish does match my back and its on the slider but the problem it the harness just does not sit to the dish matches that of my back i.e the point of the dish rides above where it should be, hence wondering if anyone else on here has had similar problems.

TBH i am gutted as I wanted big things from the RE harness, it took me quite a bit to admit it just didn't work but alas at least for me the marketing does not match the product.
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I have one and I love it, tried virtually all the sizes in the shop with each size spreader, they had a bar and lines hooked up so could get a realistic feel.

Think its just one of those things you have to try on...

Have to agree with this:
JGTR wrote:...their main selling point is that they fit everyone - which they don't because no harness will fit everyone....
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PeaBody wrote:I have one and I love it, tried virtually all the sizes in the shop with each size spreader, they had a bar and lines hooked up so could get a realistic feel.

Think its just one of those things you have to try on...

Have to agree with this:
JGTR wrote:...their main selling point is that they fit everyone - which they don't because no harness will fit everyone....
Indeed as noted one thing to really take away from this thread, the extremely helpful people at FC warn of RE harnesses just fitting about 20% of people prior to selling.

Guess its going on ebay!
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Try getting or demoing a Manera harness - again, I'm not sure if it fits everyone but we've never had any returns and it's the comfiest one I've ever ridden in (see here: https://www.skymonster.com/products/man ... s-uk-store)
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Ride Engine was originally a custom fit company where the harness was custom made to the individual, those bastards at Slingshot rather cynically bought the name off the guy and just built three scu's the rest is marketing bullshit.

You should always try as many harnesses as possibly and a variety of sizes, back in the day you could also switch spreader bar width to make a medium a tad larger, or a smaller bar to size down a large, economics and logistics forces harnesses with bars on us these days, there's another one on the market as well from Brunotti (I agent them and declare that here) similar style, three size groupings and shell fit. They are called Smartshell and have been designed by the guy that built the Mystic brand (it's another long story) but they are worth a look, not many about yet but are slowly turning up in newer shops.

Personally however I still favour those shorts harness and wear a clapped out set of Dakine Nitrous shorts they suit me for just about everything, windsurfing kites and boats.
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I recently bought a Medium ride engine harness and came to the conclusion that i have the wrong size.

It wasn`t made clear to me that the sizing they show is actually at your belly button height which i discovered once looking in detail at their website. I have a 34 inch waist, but my belly is actually 36-37 (maybe a few too many pies!!).

I used it for a few sessions, but found it gave me a bit of back ache. I did try the large on in a shop at the weekend and to be fair, the fit seemed much better. In the end though, i ended up going for a correctly sized brunotti smartshell harness as mentioned above. The main reason is i use to ride a Mystic Warrior harness for years which had smaller straps in addition to the large ones to help pull the spreader bar down. The designer from Mystic has carried this over to the brunotti harness which is why i went for it as prefer this to the fiddley system on the Ride Engine.

So if anyone is interested i have a nearly new hex core harness for sale in M with 10 inch spreader bar! (Shameless sales plug there too!)

I do think it really important though that if you buy a Ride Engine harness, you take into account the measurements are taken at your belly button, not waist or you may get caught out like me.

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Hi!! Two friends of mine told me the same about this RE. They said that it was very hard and they had back ache after a ride. I own a Mystic warrior and I have no problems at all with it. I ride freeride, no high jumps or freestyle at all. Just waveriding.

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I posted this elsewhere, but since this has popped up I'll update here - getting the fit right is super important with this harness.

I was sent my 2017 Hex up by Rich at Ride Engine UK (thanks for the awesome service as usual). Comparing it to the 2016 version there has been some tweaks to the build - the webbing placement and routing to tighten the harness, there is extra foam in lining and it feels slightly stiffer. Last year I went for a medium with a 10” bar (76kg - 31” waist) as I felt the small didn’t sit just right on my hips; however this year I went small and the extra padding really helps. The smaller shell of this size means an even more minimalistic fit and even when I wore for the first time it was supremely comfortable, no pinching and no slipping! The comfort, support and lack of bulk means there is unparalleled freedom of movement. I really couldn’t go back to a ‘normal’ harness.

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You can see the shell of the small in the new 2017 sea green colourway is noticeably smaller than the medium orange 2016. I'm not sure how much this scaling happens in other brands/models and whether they just reduce the circumference; however getting the fit right with a RE is important and I'd say you need to consider both waist size, hip-width and height. I'm 178cm tall and 77kg with a 31" waist so with the 10" spreader bar the 2017 small was a perfect fit and it sits over my navel between my hips and ribs. I'd always been in a small sized other brand, but the medium Hex felt right over the small last year and this year the small with the additional padding is strangely better - the key thing is to either try them on or speak to a shop with experience of them for the best advice.

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The difference in the internal padding is noticeably different in the 2017 model which helps the harness conform that little bit more and also feels super comfortable.

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Close-up of 2017 where even the internal belt looks to have been subject to more padding.

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2017 buckle closure and routing of webbing, which looks to have been tidied and organized a little better. There is a knack to tighten/loosen these - get the initial fit right and only loosen the right hand side enough to take loop out of spreader and you should have a loop at the buckle without having to have then tail of it removed. Some good videos from the guys at Ride Engine and makes sense when you get it right.

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The original hard shell harness and to use a much overused adjective of late - a complete gamechanger for kitesurfing as it won't compress and pinch at the sides evenly distributing the forces. Not only is this more comfortable, but it somehow changes your connection to the kite which pulls less through you and allows more freedom of movement. Once you experience this there is no going back to the thermo moulded, high backed and for the most part gaudy looking contraptions we all wore before that if you research were based on harnesses developed for windsurfing. The Ride Engine gear was developed by kitesurfers for kitesurfers and is in many ways the first original harness for us.

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When they say lumbar lock they mean it - get the fit right and the Hex will sit perfectly in the small of your back and won't rotate or slide up. Super comfortable, super secure minimalist fit with optimum freedom of movement - it's what a kitesurfing harness should be.
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Looks like 2017 will see a few more "hard shell" harnesses joining the market. Mystic have the Majestic X due in the Spring and we have just seen a teaser from Dynabar that also looks very interesting, both of these will be non water absorbant too, so no added weight when wet.
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