Shinn 2016 Thread- the new spring release boards

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Mike B wrote:
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by drilling holes, yes..
the wood core is very durable and I doubt you would see issues for a long time, you could line and seal them.
Takes 8 Holes, but you could do with 6..
If you go right through the board you'd need something neat on the deck so you didnt hurt your feet..
Thanks Mike! That's good news - especially with the Shinnster being a big seller already.
I have a deck pad on mine.
No immediate plans but nice to have the option.
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The foil plate takes ALL the torsional stress, so it just needs fixing onto the hull. Infact the foil's rocker is the same as the shinnster.
The only tricky bit would be figuring out where to put the plate, but i can send you dimensions.
Also - a front strap double strap would make learning a lot easier, though not essential..
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Mike, do you know if Mark is going to release a more freestyle oriented carbon board? Carbon Ultrasonic?


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Mike, do you know if Mark is going to release a more freestyle oriented carbon board? Carbon Ultrasonic?


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Hey Chap,
The new freestyle boards will be unveiled later this year - probably sept. ADHD and Ultrasonic will change. Not sure yet on the range and if it does come in carbon the carbon has to work with the shape - it will not be just a more expensive edition that uses carbon as a sales jacket.
There will be quite a lot of R+D to do between then and now - and shinn also has the new factory, which has a lot of new technological avenues to pursue, so the next 3-4 months will be very interesting..
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I just wanted to bump this thread up again.. I've been following the annual Shinn thread here for many years now. This 2016/17 one needs some updating & love :)

There is precious little in the way of feedback/reviews on the new Monk Gold so far. There was a bit over on Kiteforum, but hardly anything compared to years gone by. Mark's not got the usual 'Coffee Chat' up on Vimeo yet, so it's all a bit quiet on the updates front :)
One online blog mentioned this: "The Monk Gold has gone through some improvements this year with some added concave in the bottom to increase lift and offer an even better ride than ever before". Whether there's any truth to that, I have no idea. There's certainly no mention of it anywhere else online.
Another thing I noticed is that 'Powerkiteshop' have a weight chart that states different sizes for given weight ranges when compared to the chart on Shinnworld. For 75-85kg they say 42 wide; whereas Shinnworld recommend 41 wide for that same range.. No big deal, if someone's ridden before but I did notice the discrepancy and though it worth mentioning.

Are you around Mr Birt..? I do hope things are well with you.
If you are still affiliated with Shinn and if you get some time, could you post any thoughts on the updated range please? Monk specifically, but any thoughts/experiences you have are always good to read. Yes. it's time to upgrade. I've read what John has to say on Ronson and ADHD but I think I'm still predominantly in Monk territory..

Thanks in advance :)
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Hi All,

Yes, it's true - been very busy of late, and the forum is getting quieter and quieter but it's no excuse - it's still very well read due to the excellent indexing on search engines...

In truth there have been huge changes this year. A LOT going on behind the scenes, most of which I can't comment on, but as many of you may know the original factory that made the Shinn boards was NBL (the nobile factory). There was a big shakeup and a new factory started - new backers with new technology but the same expertise, and this was a big jump around summer time - Shinn were the biggest NBL customers and left to join the new venture. All moulds were re-cut and some have stayed similar, some all new (the Ronson and ADHD we see now are board tech that was previously impossible to produce due to production limitations....)

Anyway.

Monk.
New mould, same rocker, stifness and outline etc, but the way the new factory presses boards (new tech machines) means that the deck can also now be concave (or convex as you look at it on the deck), providing a mirror to the underside concave which is increasing the core stiffness of the board, also reducing weight. The result in the Monk Gold has been to add on a bit more low end / midrange drive, but the top end control and comfort have remained the same.

Ronson.
This is a lovely board. It ousted every personal board in my van so far. It's easy, smooth, has drive and power, loads of upwind ability, tons of range and feels very well balanced. It's pop is hugely impressive - as such it's an accomplished freestyle machine and bridges the gap between novice and pro. This is unique in the range. It's an easier board to get around on than the Monk, but has the potential to way out perform it in the hands of an expert - and thus, it's has massive appeal.
Where does that leave the Monk?
Well the monk is still softer under higher loads and the Monk is still better in hard, nasty, heavy chop, and I dare say it carves a bit better too. but if you are in more 'perfect' conditions, or unhook, the Ronson has so much more...
You'll notice that the Ronson and the ADHD share the same mould. It's new - the first mould to tap into the start of the new tech abilities of the new factory. You'll notice deeper channels, concave decks, tapered rail thickness and still maintaining a flex tip section between channelling sections (full length channels kill flex. We have also not had a single warranty so far.

ADHD
This shares the same mould / hull shape as the ronson, but it's flex, outline, rocker have been changed to give more carve pop (a characteristic that the ADHD was famous for). As such it's a joy to use with more power and the landings are very easy. It's more the wakestyle power weapon than the ronson which was more the Ultrasonic style, and those that have championed the ADHD of old say that the new one is similar in style, but WAY better, a significant step forward.

That's a rundown on the most recent shapes - any questions I would be happy to go into more detail. Sorry I've been pre-occupied this autumn (I do have a small squaky excuse in a the form of a nappy wearing newborn!) lol
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Thanks for your reply Mike. Your "excuse", is surely the best reason to have for being otherwise engaged..! I can imagine how hectic things must be. My congratulations to you also :)

I'd read about the factory change but that's some interesting information on the new factory, moulds & updated machinery thanks. It does sound like we will be potentially be seeing some tech that, as you have said, was previously unavailable. Thanks.

I was thinking of upgrading from a 2015 Monk, 42 wide. Love it, but have been thinking of going down a size to the 41. I pick kite size for powered riding out of preference most of the time, so I was thinking of going smaller. I'd be no heavier than around 85-87kg on the water, so as you'll be aware, I'm right at the bottom of the range for a 42 Monk. Reading what you said about the new Monk, suggests a tad more low down drive anyway. Also, I rarely have the luxury of flat water, around 80% of my time, it's just chopped up water states. I feel smaller might be better when powered up in chop?

However..

What you write above about Ronson, has spiked an interest I had when I first read about it. Especially when you say it's ousted your personal favourites! I remember how taken you were with the 41 Bronq.. Ronson must be pretty good!
I did ride Ultrasonic a couple of seasons ago but thought it just a bit too far into freestyle/stamp pop/unhooked territory for what I do. Therefore, I guess I categorised Ronson as the new Ultrasonic. I unhook when landing the kite, that's about it! :) Mostly I'm very powered blasting around, carving, boosting, general freeride, 'oldschool' if you will.. Sounds all 'irresponsible' Monk doesn't it? :)

However, looking at Ronson's plan shape, plus reading as much as I've been able to, it did/does sound (and I'm sure you hate all these armchair theories) a bit closer to Monk than Ultrasonic was.. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean when I say I sometimes wish I had just that bit more 'feedback' from the Monk at times. I did appreciate that even with ultrasonic. There's just that certain feeling of 'detachment' at times with Monk.

When you get some time, would you mind elaborating on your thoughts regarding Ronson vs Monk please?
This sentence from your comments above especially: "This is unique in the range. It's an easier board to get around on than the Monk, but has the potential to way out perform it in the hands of an expert - and thus, it's has massive appeal."
Would you be talking in a more freestyle focussed train of thought, or possibly in a more general freeriding sense also?
Also, being a bit of a speed nut, did you notice any difference in speed Monk v Ronson? One Ronson review over on Kiteforum suggested it was faster than Monk.. In reality, that aspect is not so important to me as control and feedback at speed, plus the ability to 'go round corners' without losing too much energy or skipping out. (obviously easier on flat vs chop I know)
I've just read that review again 'Shinn Ronson test' on Kiteforum. User name 'iriejohn' It reads very well. Interestingly, he was converted from a Monk Lover 42 wide also. He stated his weigh lower than me at 78kg though..

Anyway, enough of my ramblings.. Obviously a back-to-back in ideal conditions would be great but any further thoughts you could share would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again :)
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I've ridden the Ronson a fair bit so lifted from the Kiteforum thread:

So the Ronson... I’ve spent a good few hours on it from being maxxed to just powered on a 6m in some pretty heavy wind-blown waves to powered 12m session in some flat-choppy conditions.

It appears to be the ‘replacement’ of the Ultrasonic in the Shinn line-up and if Mark was looking to bridge the gap between the Monk and the ADHD then this is what it does perfectly. Personally I loved the Ultrasonic and as I’ve wrote elsewhere I think this was a misunderstood board – yes it did have freestyle potential and it might not have felt as electric as the monk, but it was also a very easy going multi-purpose board when you eased back on it. However, I think the focus was always on the more hardcore stamp-pop aspect of it and it sort of stood out on its own so if you wanted a step up from the Monk, but not full-on freestyle then where did you go?

Hooked in – it’s a real fun board fast and nimble, feels very much smaller than 136cm and it has a real throw-around factor. It accelerates really well, but unlike the Monk it is much happier at a more sedate pace. Hooked in pop is very good – it doesn’t have the same stamp pop as the Ultrasonic and the ADHD is the board for carve-loaded wake style pop; however it’s no slouch and I had no issues generating really crisp take-off with it. This means you can hunt out good kickers and then put the foot down to boost big on it. The double concave means it smoothes things out for the acceleration and take-off, but also landings are soft even when flat. Rail grip is really good, it doesn’t have the absolute lock the Ultrasonic did, but you can break it free easily (43mm fins) to switch to do super fast toe to heelside carves – the throw-around factor again and unlike the Monk it feels much less frenetic.

Unhooked – I had no issues generating good pop for my repertoire of big raleys and s-bends etc. As I said it doesn’t generate the immediate loading you could get stamping the tail of the Ultrasonic (which had the whole of the rail in the water) – it’s more a combination of loading the tail and carving so you can use the rail grip, outline, flex and rocker to good effect. Compared to the ADHD, it has just a bit more grip on landings, the double concave for sure will smooth out flat landings, but the ADHD you could land really off-kilter and it never ever caught. The reason I went to the ADHD over the Ultrasonic was that (probably due more to my technique) it used to sometimes grip instantly on landings and you either soaked it up or it’d buck you out of the straps (I don’t do boots) - with a crappy knee I could really feel it pushin back too much at times. The Ronson has a bit of this in that the double concave will break the surface tension to prevent board slap and (even with it being my first session of the year in wetsuit boots) I was never bucked out the straps, but I felt it wanted to get back on a rail a bit quicker than the ADHD so not quite as forgiving.

As a board in the range it makes more sense – it’s an upgrade to those who want more than a Monk, but not quite the full-on wake rocker and approach of the ADHD. So in this sense it does bridge the gap in the range and you can have the ‘Monkness’ for blasting about boosting and carving whilst being able to tap into good freestyle unhooked pop without the absolute rail grip of the Ultrasonic or perceived looseness of the ADHD.

Me... I’m getting the new ADHD!!! :o

After swapping out my Ultrasonic earlier this year for the ADHD I used to miss the crazy upwind drive and ability to generate pop from the slightest loading. Hence I thought the Ronson was going to be the board for me. However, as well as being a machine for unhooked wakestylers (not me) the rocker of the ADHD is just super super smooth – yeah I lose out on some speed, carving and upwind drive, but man with my 41 year old knees I love how it lands. So for a few years at least, or until my knees say no-more unhooking the ADHD is the easiest board on them. If I had younger knees or if I was going to be hooked-in for the vast majority of the time then the Ronson would make perfect sense and is great for those who want to mix it up without sacrificing too much of one element over another... oh to have younger knees
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@Carved1

I know exactly where you are coming from regarding the Monk being a bit detached at times - like you are not really in the driving seat... but who cares as the ride is still helluva fun!

With this in mind, I think the Ronson could be the board you are looking for as it does bridge the Monk-Ultra-ADHD gap very well especially if you are hooked in all the time.
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carved1 wrote: When you get some time,
for sure - will be back in the next day or so, It's good to hear of the interest - and you are right there is a lot more to it than I said. ultimately you would be best to demo..
I'll be back with more soon!
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@ John.B

Thanks for posting that John. I went back and read the complete thread again. There's quite a lot of useful information in the complete thread about Ronson. Also, thanks for your thoughts on the boards. You're right about Monk, whatever the day, whatever the tactility, it's still a hell of a lot of fun!

I've a funny feeling you're right about the Ronson for me though. I'll wait and see what Mike comes back with - (no pressure there Mike heehee)

@ Mike B

Thanks Mike. Again, you are right, demo would most certainly be the best option. Unfortunately it's so often hard to get those perfect demo conditions to line up on the day though.
Any further information you can share though would be gratefully processed & assimilated :)
Please don't rush to get back though, it's a very busy time of life you're in right now!

Enjoy your weekend guys.
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I was out yesterday for the first time on the Ronson having been on the Livewire for the last 4 years, so can't compare to the Bronq/Monk.

The first thing I noticed was lots more spary. I got more yesterday than I have in 4 years on the Livewire. That said, it went up wind SO much better than the Livewire. To me the board felt stiffer than I had expected so was worried about heavy landings and can say I am super impressed with how smooth these are! I am not sure if it's to do with the double concave bottom shape and it dispersed the water in a special way, but whatever, Mr Shinn got the design right there. I was on the 138 in boots and at 83kg and 6' 1", I think I will order the 140.
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stewynew wrote:I was out yesterday for the first time on the Ronson having been on the Livewire for the last 4 years, so can't compare to the Bronq/Monk.

The first thing I noticed was lots more spary. I got more yesterday than I have in 4 years on the Livewire. That said, it went up wind SO much better than the Livewire. To me the board felt stiffer than I had expected so was worried about heavy landings and can say I am super impressed with how smooth these are! I am not sure if it's to do with the double concave bottom shape and it dispersed the water in a special way, but whatever, Mr Shinn got the design right there. I was on the 138 in boots and at 83kg and 6' 1", I think I will order the 140.
It does ride lower in the water - and likes front food drive - I'd say that it would be prone to a bit of spray, but spray is always a difficult beast to tame. Some people get it on the easiest boards, some people never get it on the most difficult of boards. Me? I'm normally super picky, and whilst I did notice it sat lower, and may have had a little, I didn't notice it in the way that I did on the Ultrasonic, that only stopped torturing me when I shifter 75% of my weight to the back foot. Then I get Ultrasonic lovers look at me like I'm an alien when I complain...
Go figure!
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carved1 wrote: I was thinking of upgrading from a 2015 Monk, 42 wide. Love it, but have been thinking of going down a size to the 41. I pick kite size for powered riding out of preference most of the time, so I was thinking of going smaller. I'd be no heavier than around 85-87kg on the water, so as you'll be aware, I'm right at the bottom of the range for a 42 Monk. Reading what you said about the new Monk, suggests a tad more low down drive anyway. Also, I rarely have the luxury of flat water, around 80% of my time, it's just chopped up water states. I feel smaller might be better when powered up in chop?
I also started downsizing my twin tips widths since i bought a Woo. Ended up on a 40wide bronq at 84kg. You can take more power, with more speed on them and when wound you do go higher. My stock size Monk was always 41, but now I would probably take a 40.
These days (with foil use) any lightwind days are lapped up trying to perfect the new challenge, so it had to be 20kts before i bust out a 12 and something small and grippy.

carved1 wrote:However..
What you write above about Ronson, has spiked an interest I had when I first read about it. Especially when you say it's ousted your personal favourites! I remember how taken you were with the 41 Bronq.. Ronson must be pretty good!
Yeah - the difference in grip was impressive - though the bronq is crisper, the Ronson has way more low end, upwind ability and edge (like an Ultrasonic) but without the burn or inability to crab and shed when you threw in the towel on a powered run. The Ultrasonic was like an ice skate - loose the rail and your in for pain, but the Ronson, more like the monk, has an ability t drift the rail that enables you to feather a gust and then reattach after it's gone. I do love the monk and Bronq for that...
So the Ronson has the butter ability of Monk and Bronq when you need it but the rail of the Ultrasonic when you need that!

carved1 wrote:I did ride Ultrasonic a couple of seasons ago but thought it just a bit too far into freestyle/stamp pop/unhooked territory for what I do. Therefore, I guess I categorised Ronson as the new Ultrasonic. I unhook when landing the kite, that's about it! :) Mostly I'm very powered blasting around, carving, boosting, general freeride, 'oldschool' if you will.. Sounds all 'irresponsible' Monk doesn't it? :)
Irresponsible and the majority style these days - plus with the resurgence of big air - the way forward ;-) hahahah
So the Ronson is nothing like the Ultrasonic in my eyes. As far as the range goes you could argue that it's the current closest, but in reality very different. It's got lots of pop though - and (for me) are real carve and snatch that's great for critical loading of the line just before boost, and great release too. I'm asking Mark when they are making a 40 wide and a carbon version ;-)


carved1 wrote:However, looking at Ronson's plan shape, plus reading as much as I've been able to, it did/does sound (and I'm sure you hate all these armchair theories) a bit closer to Monk than Ultrasonic was.. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean when I say I sometimes wish I had just that bit more 'feedback' from the Monk at times. I did appreciate that even with ultrasonic. There's just that certain feeling of 'detachment' at times with Monk.
i agree - The monk is like a traction controlled car - hugely capable, but it' not you that's doing the riding/driving - it's the computer / flex and shaping. Ideal for 99% of riders - and it makes heroes of many (and the only thing you can boost on when the conditions turn to tick chop). For those that want more feedback we go to the Bronq - this is exactly what it is. A monk with more feel and feedback.
The Ronson for sure is closer to the monk - probably 2/3 monk, 1/3 ultrasonic, but it does have a distinctly different feel. The front rail sits deeper, the stance more aggressive (like the ultrasonic) but it has even if not slightly front foot bias (I always favoured my back foot on the U/S. It feels soft and grippy at the same time. No doubt not a 4x4 as the monk but compliant enough in the nasty bits between ramps, but unlike the Monk and Bronq, you have that rail drive and pop of the Ultrasonic.
carved1 wrote:When you get some time, would you mind elaborating on your thoughts regarding Ronson vs Monk please?
This sentence from your comments above especially: "This is unique in the range. It's an easier board to get around on than the Monk, but has the potential to way out perform it in the hands of an expert - and thus, it's has massive appeal."
Would you be talking in a more freestyle focussed train of thought, or possibly in a more general freeriding sense also?
For sure in freestyle - with the right hands it's a WAY more capable freestyle board than the Monk, as good a real world freestyle board as you could ever hope to find, but it's better for experienced oldschool riders in my view. Monk is great, dont get me wrong - but if you are savvy you'll get a lot more from the Ronson if you like leaving the water.

carved1 wrote:Also, being a bit of a speed nut, did you notice any difference in speed Monk v Ronson? One Ronson review over on Kiteforum suggested it was faster than Monk.. In reality, that aspect is not so important to me as control and feedback at speed, plus the ability to 'go round corners' without losing too much energy or skipping out. (obviously easier on flat vs chop I know)
This is always so subjective -
It feels more athletic because at low power you can engage more rail drive and go faster - so it feels fast - plus it HAMMERS upwind, and that brings a lot more apparent wind, which makes it feels fast. The word faster however, would really mean racetrack. For that you would need a gps, and your talking about raw speed, or in my world, as fast as you can go on a dead beam reach, while still having enough grip in the the tank for an unsustainable last hoik on the rail to carve pop into a woo number.
I think in this case - speed plus the additional carve pop, when chasing a woo number the Ronson has it - most certainly when you are under 100% powered up.
I think in a downwinder race, the Monk would be, (as has always been) untouchable. It's cheating!


Hope that helps!
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