Strapped v's Unstrapped - Style & Skill

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Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:18 am

Awesome, I'm amongst my peers, I suppose because it was always beyond my reach I never had any respect or interest for dangle-monkeys riding back-and-forth doing the same old-thing in the shallow-flat water then leveling judgement for 'lawn-mowing'. I can happily sit and watch a rider riding waves and the very-best always have a surfing background.

I'm going to the beach today, just to watch the boys and run my dog, unfortunately but it's a start.

George, how is the 6' Takoon Burning much different to the 5' 8" ? is it fatter ?
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Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:18 am

I think the new 6'2" Burning is both wider and thicker than the 5'8", more like a regular surfboard, and obviously a thruster instead of a quad. Whilst I like the 5'8" I think it is more suited to powered up riding in onshore junk as opposed to good clean, down the line surf. I had it out last week in good head high x-shore waves and it was a bit skittery on the bottom turns. I fairly cranks upwind though. Hoping to get some footage posted from the GoPro in the next few days.
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Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:41 am

I used to go strapless but got annoyed with getting bounced off the board by chop when it got really big so forced myself to put the straps back on and after a while got used to them. I dont live in hawaii, I dont kite in off shore winds! i live in cornwall and kite in howling onshore chop and realised the only reason i was strapless riding was to be able to sneer at people with straps and look down at them. I now ride straps and love bouncing over the chop without the stress of trying to keep the board under my feet!
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Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:42 am

cragnick wrote: the only reason i was strapless riding was to be able to sneer at people with straps and look down at them.
Oh-yes, theres a lot of that in the sport and whilst I agree with you mostly, I find that strapless riding is a fantastic freedom. I suppose it's the sailor in me.

I've gone back to a TT because it's easier, if you watch the riders who ride strapless all the time they will cope with any sea conditions and rarely fall-off.

A few weeks back I fell off my TT riding on an out-going tide so the board was on it's way to Ireland, one of our local riders who was riding strapless recovered my board. I was amazed, though he did appreciate the TT having a handle.

Having a handle, now thats something that currently gets sneered at and for the same reason. "I'm better than you"

Shame isn't it ?
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Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:05 am

I enjoy riding strapless, but a lot of the time, it's the conditions that screw it up, fine if you can kite a good surf beach, but when it gets choppy, it's time for straps!

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Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:20 am

I got fed up using my surf board even with straps , learning to Jibe peed me off. Going to give it another go on light wind days . Not that it's the b all & end all any how..In my opinion & my opinion only . Have had several discussions about this & quite a few feel the same. You can do as much on a twin tip as you can a surf board & get out of the shit a lot quicker when you see a wall of white water heading down on you , you aint gona jump. Quick turn toe side or bog standard change of direction & your well away. I have ridden down face of many a wave , along it on top of it part under it , no probs. Belt back into shallows & have bit of a play around , few jumps for the spectators & belt back out to the Waves...sorted. Convince me why a surf board is much better as sure as hell I cant see it.
Best of it is I see people using surf boards where theirs no frigin waves any way & all too often I see them being used in the shallows here at the Ho!& they dont even go out into the Waves , but just ponce around in the little wavelets along shore edge...what's the point of that ? ...
Im too old to worry about what's the fashion & hip or cool or sick & all that bolox.....as long as I am having good time dont give a flying F**k...
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:34 am

Oldognewtrix wrote:You can do as much on a twin tip as you can a surf board & get out of the shit a lot quicker when you see a wall of white water heading down on you
Whilst I agree with you and went back to a twin-tip for the same reasons a surfboard hardly needs any back-foot when you're heading down a wave and tends to find it's own way through the sea whereas with a twin tip you need to ollie a lot more and really apply back-foot down a wave face. I still get flash-backs of cart-wheels i've done when I let a Twin Tip dip it's nose and wall of water behind me did the rest.

I never did learn to gybe a surfboard and like you i'll have another go on days when the sea is calm and the wind not above 15 knots.

I suppose i'm Ex-Waverider, whilst i get bored really quickly riding over flat water it's time I avoided waves but the thrill of riding down a steep bank of moving water is deeply ingrained in my got-to-do-it feelings.
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:07 pm

Oldognewtrix wrote:
You can do as much on a twin tip as you can a surf board & get out of the shit a lot quicker when you see a wall of white water heading down on you

Ive just started riding directionals after 3 years of tt, I love freestyle riding and scareing myself every session.
Now when the winds light I like to use a directional,because you can stay upwind and ride waves ..... I can't jibe yet ( maybe I need to loose the straps )
I love to watch proper surfers and theres something about being out on a big day
But where I surf there never that big :(
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:27 am

Must say I agree with what's being said about the Surfboards. Likes been said , a lot depends on the conditions. Quite often here its so messy as they say in the Surf world. Once you get out past the white water rafting zone you come across some huge walls off water that are great fun.
Like said I will give mine another go on right days..I am looking for pair on these sky hook thingyies which no one seems to be able to tell me where I can get them at the moment. They must be lot easier to jibe in & gives you something to hook into when you do hit the crap & chop....
I never surfed prior to Kite surfing , may be that makes a difference. If you have surfed you see the opportunities I guess.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:52 am

I prefer riding my directional to the twin tip I don't know why I just do. The more you ride something the better you get so I'll use my surfboard on flat water just to practice gybes and jumps off any small ramps that might be about, then when it comes to riding in something that resembles swell I'm not fudging around and falling off because I put the time in when the water was flat.

I don't use straps and have never felt that I needed to even in blown out chop slop, I just go out and ride what ever gets put in front of me and I'm not really that bothered what people think and I don't give a toss about the image but I think some people get too hung up on the image thing like shorts over a full wetsuit.

I don't think there is a right or wrong way to use a surfboard with a kite, the pointy bit is the front and some people feel happier with straps and I for one don't think this debate should come into the competition arena.

I try to tell people that think a better kite or a better road bike will make them a better kiter or cyclist, that it's not what your equipment can do for you but it's what YOU can do with your equipment that counts.

Anyway off to Norfolk this weekend to ride...... Now let me see, it's gonna be flat so I must ride my twin tip.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:22 pm

I don't use straps and have never felt that I needed to even in blown out chop slop, I just go out and ride what ever gets put in front of me and I'm not really that bothered what people think and I don't give a toss about the image but I think some people get too hung up on the image thing like shorts over a full wetsuit.
That's it my friend , it's what ever you enjoy in what ever way you like doing it. I must say & may be it's my age , that when using surf board in chop it pounded my knees too much. Got tired lot quicker. That's good point about riding on flat , that you can practice. Might give that go myself some time. Just we aint got much in way flat around here.
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:12 am

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Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:07 am

interesting technique in that vid - ditch the bar and just throw down as much power as possible.

anyone do this? i don't. although i fall off a lot too and i doubt that fella does!

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