The right kit for a beginner

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SlowFox
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:47 am

Hi all, I am totally new to kitesufing but not new to kites. I recently bought a Cabrinha vari pro 138 Togo with my PL Venom 16 m and V2 10m. I know it's a bit old chool but no money for the latest kit with 2 young toddlers. Am I making life hard for myself trying to learn with this setup.?
. Btw I weigh 100kg
With wetsuit.
southseasailor
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:50 pm

I know nothing about the kites you mentioned, not sure on the board but take it its a twin tip? I use a 140x42cm twin tip and weigh the same as you. 138 length cant be too wrong for you.

Kites don't have to cost a fortune. A typical Bow or Delta LEI (leading edge inflatable) is easy to fly, I came from a Foil background; and found the kitesurf kites very easy to get used to. Plenty of used Kites about, sometimes you get last years but new, for nice prices. People seem to say that before the year 2010 then don't bother. I flew a cabrinha from a while before that (2006) and it handled like a pig.

Kites I can vouch for are Best 'Taboo' and 'Kahoona' and Liquid Force 'Havoc' and 'NRG'. Cabrinha 'Switchblade' is another good one. I am intermediate level, or so I like to think;) my commonest size is 12mtr. The Taboo was a 12mtr. I sold this and replaced it with the NRG 12mtr. Very pleased with this kite.

It wouldn't hurt to go try some out, preferably with someone who can show you the controls? I don't know your expertise, but one bad move and you could get seriously hurt.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:15 am

The kites are peter Lynn Arcs, the older guys will know about these, they are closed cell foils from 2006.
I have replaced the lines and pigtails to be a bit more secure about equipment failure in deep water
Generally they are good kites the 16m turns a little slow. But I am more concerned about the board which is a TT in combination with these kites. I will be trying it out myself but because I am new to the water, I won't be the best judge for a while yet.

I would love to try out some of the kites you recommended but I will be stuck with the kites I have unlessi win the lottery.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:54 am

Sounds like you are thinking about trying to teach yourself. Don't do that. Get some lessons so your kids don't have to grow up without a father.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:34 am

That's a bit harsh paralla., you make it sound like no one has ever learnt on there own. I come from a kite buggy,windsurf,snowboard,wake board background. So far I have taught myself to body surf and will shortly be attempting the water start sofar it's all gone well in a fairly controlled manner.(only one kite crash and no damage) so I would just like to know if a Cabrinha vari pro 138 is a good beginners board?
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:54 am

You need to learn a few basics about the safety systems of the equipment and what to do if it all goes tits up.

Search youtube for kitesurf accident, there are some pretty horrendous accidents.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:09 am

Which safety systems are you referring to? Self rescue ? I have done
as much research as possible but of course there is a chance I have missed something
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:59 pm

I taught myself. Well, initially I attended a course in the UK but only got a day out of it. Wind was poor and I was running out of time, had a plane to catch to get back home:)

I was glad to cove the basics, body dragging and relaunching the kite off the water and stuff like that. Very frustrated otherwise at paying a small fortune and having little to show for it. Instructor wouldn't even cover self launching and landing, yet sold me a used kite and lines..

You have some experience already so understand the principles. I would seek a buddy who kitesurfs if I were you. Progress will be quicker and safer. Not sure how the foils will behave. I have a Foil, its a 'Flysurfer' 12mtr, the 'Speed 3 de lux' no less. Good kite, feels like a 14mtr LEI with the power its got.

It only takes a dumbass mistake to alter/end your life. I did such a mistake a while ago and was lucky to not have broken my neck, quite literally. Got lofted so violently my feet were tugged from the board. Got carried a good 35 to 40 ft before getting tilted over and landing on my right shoulder/head. lucky it was waist deep water. On the land or too close to the beach it would have been a different story. Simple mistake? keeping the bar 'stopper' right down, went to change direction and as the kite zenithed it powered up in a gust, and of course the stopper did what its designed for. I can only thank my lucky stars that day.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:50 pm

The kites and board you have are not good for learning. Board is old and far too small for you and the kites are pretty ancient, you'll struggle to get any help with your kites as not many people fly foils and even less still fly Venoms. Learning with foils is inherently harder just for the fact that foils can sink.

There are also the rights of way, wind effects, weather conditions, tide effects and emergency procedures but you seem determined to learn on your own and as you correctly say you won't be the first person to teach themselves. You can usually tell the self taught kiters as they generally don't have a clue and endanger themselves and others.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:22 pm

Give it ago mate, when I learnt, 13 years ago, we all self taught with kit a million times worse than you have. All the guys I know from then coped fine and learnt good edging skill just to survive!

Use your common sense and team up with others at your local beach.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:44 pm

Thanks for the reply southseasailor, I don't think any amou nt of lessons would have helped you from getting lofted. You just made a simple mistake. We all do it, just glad you walked away from it OK.
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My venom 16 is about same in power to your fs 12 m ,the fs has a better low end.the venom has good high end and gustmunching ability.

I have a friend who comes along to help out. He knows what he is doing and is happy to help.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:54 pm

Thanks Si, that's just what I was thinking n1. I reckon if the board is no good I'll knock up a ply board of epic proportions;)
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:06 pm

Get a life! JGTR
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:58 pm

There are still a lot of kiters who fly foils out there dude. It's not as big as it used to be as lei's tend to be easier but have a go, I used to have venoms but they just weren't my cup of tea. My mate swears by his phantoms. It just means you will have to learn different techniques. The basic safety ideas are the same.
You probably would pick up the skills quicker with an lei, but everyone starts somewhere.

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:07 pm

SlowFox wrote:Get a life! JGTR
Got one thanks, don't ask questions if you have already decided what the answer is. Don't insult me because you don't like the answer I gave you.
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