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kiteingcolin
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this problem has had me and most of you guys landed in trouble at some time, and sometimes its happened and you have not known what the hell happened.
You hook up and launch - walk to the water and as soon as you power up (or sooner) the bar flys off from your grip and the kite shoots away on its safety line,

I had enough when it did it on holiday twice, once it happened in the tiny launch area which made me grab one end of the bar as it shot off which then looped the kite into power, scary stuff, I let go but the kite crashed down on the reef causing minor damage to my brand new kite,

after asking around most guys have had the same thing happen, the loop simply dangles loosely around the bar hook during launch procedure and every now and then the loop hooks itself half way around the hook and stuck up against the chicken stick, but then as soon as power is loaded into the lines the force pings the chicken stick clear and away goes the loop connection, if the wind is strong the bar is whipped away from your grip.

whats the answer? and don't say check its in right after the kite take flight,as that might be to late, it only happens once out of every say 30 launches, so you dont always look down to check, we need a sure way of locking the loop into the bar hook, but still retaining the safety systems at all times.

the loop shown is a new north, the bar is one of many I have, they all fail the test, yours will to if you try it, if not what's different?.
I would guess 99% of all users have the same event just waiting to happen.
fen
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dont use a chicken finger. i dont and never have this problem
ronnie
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The hammerhead hook seems to be part of the problem and another is the donkeydick set at an angle. The cheapest solution may be to replace the spreader bar with one which is narrower and rounded.
waverider
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I've never had this problem but thanks for pointing it out Colin.

I've been over to my workshop to do some tests, putting the chicken-loop into the position you show, it always slips back into the correct position when you pull it in any direction. I just cannot get the chicken loop to stay in that compromise position but I will be wary of it's possibility.

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John.B
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Should have gone to specsavers! :roll:
Filthy
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kiteingcolin wrote:
whats the answer? and don't say check its in right after the kite take flight,as that might be to late
You should be checking this before giving the thumbs up anyway?? If its that much of a concern hold the CL in the hook during the launch or put it under more tension.
Hemanblob
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Take ur dick out... and learn how to ride without one, then you will never launch and get in a situation like that. Dicks are totally worthless to a competent rider. Even in 25 foot waves! The idea of a company making something that locks your loop in is daft. They basically get rid of their entier unhooked market and make things EVEN more complicated for no reason apart from poor user error.
waverider
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Just done another test, I simulated launching the kite hooked-in and donkey in position. At this stage unless you're not paying attention the loop just does-not get into that compromise position. I then placed the spreader into a multitude of positions that some of your antics, or someone elses might produce, even up-side-down, the swivel just wouldn't allow the loop to go into any dodgy situation. Does your chicken loop housing have a swivel Colin ?

Bizarre.

As regards the last comment, why would anyone other than if you wanted to ride unhooked not use a donkey-dick, what's the benefit and what danger if you don't ? The only problems I've had is when not having a donkey-dick and I did a cartwheel coming down a wave-face and the bar unhooked. Kite-down in a shore break is bad news with even as little as 4 foot waves breaking over your kite-canopy.
kiteingcolin
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No swivel Richard, I have tried it with my slingy bar loop and my new north ones, harnesses I have all fail the test, they are -
da kine storm 2010, da kine fusion, 2010, 2009 2006, niel pryde 2004, Ion b2 shorts 2011, nitros shorts 2010.
all fail the test which has been let the loop go floppy, shake it a lot to just catch the edge of the bar hook and then pull the line tight as if the kite is launching,
John.B
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Just check it when your lines are tight? Do you want to ban junctions in case a car is there when you want to pull out ffs!
Filthy
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kiteingcolin wrote:No swivel Richard, I have tried it with my slingy bar loop and my new north ones, harnesses I have all fail the test, they are -
da kine storm 2010, da kine fusion, 2010, 2009 2006, niel pryde 2004, Ion b2 shorts 2011, nitros shorts 2010.
all fail the test which has been let the loop go floppy, shake it a lot to just catch the edge of the bar hook and then pull the line tight as if the kite is launching,
Bet it wont happen with a Slingshot Surefire Bar! If it worries you that much and you are not worried about unhooking get one!

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kiteingcolin
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just splashed out on 2 new Ion b2 harness shorts, the slingy bar will not retro fit. looks good though.
JGTR
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It's possibly because the donkey dick is too thin/flexible and goes diagonally across the loop meaning as soon as loop moves to one side it can twist out. Try a thicker donkey dick that attaches to the spreader bar and is central as it goes through the loop, Naish one is a good one
kiteingcolin
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JGTR wrote:It's possibly because the donkey dick is too thin/flexible and goes diagonally across the loop meaning as soon as loop moves to one side it can twist out. Try a thicker donkey dick that attaches to the spreader bar and is central as it goes through the loop, Naish one is a good one
same thoughts as me, used the naish one on the slingy comp bar set up, no change, made my own stick from windsurfer harness line hoop, no help,
next step will be to bend that hammer head "hook" right under, to form a hoop.
waverider
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JGTR wrote:It's possibly because the donkey dick is too thin/flexible and goes diagonally across the loop
I was wondering along these lines, my 'dick' is very-very stiff. So-stiff and thick I find it difficult to shove into position. (Sorry, I know what this sounds like)
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