Stagnant 2nd Hand Market

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Dantheman
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Stagnant 2nd Hand Market

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Its always cool to see whats on the market, whether new or 2nd hand and so i spend quite a bit of time trawling through Kite-bay, ebay and the forum.

Is it just me or does the 2nd hand market seem to be a bit of a stand still at the moment, i see quivers of 2014 kites complete being offered with no take up, last years RPM's complete for under £600 and still no biters. Appreciate its early in the season (for those fair weather kiters) and it probably doesnt help the fact the there is just so much stuff out there at the moment but, it just seems that nothing is selling.

Times are tough, i get that and everyone wants a bargain. For me its a cycle, i'll look to upgrade if i can get a bit of money out of my old kite. so if no-one can sell their old stuff, perhaps people arent looking to buy newer 2nd hand gear?

interested in peoples thoughts..............

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I guess it's early in the season.
I have reservations about the 2016 prices to add fuel to the fire. We'll see later in the year from all the brands. Kite materials are bought in dollars and kites are bought from the factory in dollars.
Since the changes in exchange rate from summer last year I cant see the price of kites going anywhere but significantly up. This will help the used market, but it wont help new sales.

I could go on about the economy, and what's going on, but what can we do?
The statistic that the top 1% of the public now have more wealth than the rest of society added together makes me wonder why I ever questioned why the media and policy did not seem to be helping the masses...
Anyway money cant buy happiness, right?

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Mike B wrote:Anyway money cant buy happiness, right?


No, but it lets us buy toys to have fun with

Toys = happiness :-D

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Probably a naive question but why don't we make kites in the UK?

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highalpha_pass wrote:Probably a naive question but why don't we make kites in the UK?


We don't make a lot in the UK...
To my knowledge only specialist products or those too bulky to ship effectively are possible. Making kites in the UK would be an impossible prospect financially. But as we get poorer it becomes more of a possibility. That said, pretty much all of the worlds kites are made in 3 factories, so if you were to make kites they would have to service a lot of clients and be in an area of europe that had the lowest overheads to make it viable.
Shinn boards are all made in Poland, and the engineering is spectacular in production and R+D. I doubt that europe would bring anything more to kite production technically, but if we do see production starting in Europe it will be even more scary as our economy will essentially be at the bottom of the pile. At least we would be busy though :-)

I need a time machine. Take me back to 2001 ;-)

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2nd Hand market needs beginners, they don't traditionally start to enter the market until the weather warms up and the clocks go forward, so, we now have one of those but not the other, the good news is it has become windy at last, which can be the other driver of sales generally as occasionally stuff gets trashed or folk improve to the point they want more sizes. 9 mrs have been going well this winter, I bet not many of them have been sticking. The reason RPMs have stuck is because last year they had a crap bridle that needed replacing and here there is no longer anyone willing to warranty it.

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A big factor is the number of deals on new kites. Cabrinha seemingly dumping lots of kites at well below rrp, flexifoil selling everything half price etc All of that means second hand kites will sell but only at the right price.

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Think the sport may have had its honeymoon period and now people really wear/use their kit out before they replace with either new , last year new or 2nd hand, bit like the kite mags with their new kit tested bollox its just changed colour from the year before people become wise to this, trouble is the manufacturers dont make it easy for newbies as its still expensive to get started especially for youngsters.

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ChunkSter wrote:Think the sport may have had its honeymoon period and now people really wear/use their kit out before they replace with either new , last year new or 2nd hand, bit like the kite mags with their new kit tested bollox its just changed colour from the year before people become wise to this, trouble is the manufacturers dont make it easy for newbies as its still expensive to get started especially for youngsters.


Less innovation with newer kit. Changes were probably more noticeable a few years ago.

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Unfortunately for all involved it is a downward spiral. I used to buy new kites every year but haven't bought new for the last 2 years, I do ride the new kites that come on the market but rarely they noticeably better than what I have. Light wind kites are an exception as the last couple of years has made a lot of difference.

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The second hand market prices are also limited by how long kites last. in my experience if you heavily use a kite for 3 seasons it is going to be on its last legs.

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Im looking to come back into the scene and managed to bag a brand new Peter Lynn for around the same as they are going 2nd hand, so for me with it being slow is a bit of a bonus (yes I know its not an LEI, I like to do things differently - probably why I learnt on C's)

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One (small) upside is that you may as well ride hard rather than trying to preserve the second hand value of your kite!

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