What do the different connections at the kite tips do?

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Rob.L
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:27 am

I bought my 14mtr C kite and havent altered the connections at the kite tips. Just wondering what differences they make?
I have four connection points in total, two front and two rear.
i have probably asked this before but need a memory refresh.

Cheers,
Rob.L
PS will post a pic when I find it.
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darryl pretorius
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:43 am

Rob.L wrote:I bought my 14mtr C kite and havent altered the connections at the kite tips. Just wondering what differences they make?
I have four connection points in total, two front and two rear.

You had a lesson dude?
Front lines at the front!
Rear lines at the rear!

Maybe you havent explained your question properly. But you sound dangerous!
Rob.L
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:59 am

Dangers my middle name..

Ok.
At the end of the kite where you attach the pig tails to the kite. These can be moved to different positions.
What effect does this have on the kites response/turning etc.

Seriously what kind of response is Front line to the Front and Rear lines to the rear?!?!?!

Do you think you can safely comment in a newbie section with replies like that?

I think you mean Control lines to the rear and Trim lines to the front.
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DjMoz
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:04 am

darryl pretorius wrote:
Rob.L wrote:I bought my 14mtr C kite and havent altered the connections at the kite tips. Just wondering what differences they make?
I have four connection points in total, two front and two rear.

You had a lesson dude?
Front lines at the front!
Rear lines at the rear!

Maybe you havent explained your question properly. But you sound dangerous!
Please give it a break - lessons seems to be a stock answer to every question anyone ever has now. You will never be told this in a lesson these days, I would be surprised if you did anyone who does explain this can correct me.

A lot of c-kites had or do have two attachments (on both sides) at the front and rear, changing the front attachments will give more power (back)/depower (forward point).

The rear attachment options are usually related to bar pressure and steering response, You get a better response if the lines are connected further up the tip (away from the rear) but probably harder on the arms, the rear point is better on the arms but may not be as quick.

I think I have this the right way round please feel to correct me if you know better, thats the problem with forums any idiot can give bad advice! :? Like "take lessons" :roll: Sorry but getting bored of reading that response.

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darryl pretorius
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:33 pm

@ DjMoz, fair comment, but you dont really think advising lessons is bad advice do you?

@ Rob.L: Apologies for arogance,

Shortening the centre lines (trim lines) reduces the power generated by the kite. So attaching the centre lines to the knots closest to the bar will give you less power, and further from the bar, more power
Shortening the outer lines (Control lines) increases the power generated by the kite. So attaching the outer lines to the knots closest to the kite will give you more power, and further from the kite less power.

Hope that makes it a little easier to understand.:wink:
eazyrider
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:05 pm

Hi mate, my old Naish X4 had the same four connection points.

At the front of the kite:
Forward centerline connection point: gives the most wind range, increased sheetability, best for over powered conditions.

Rear centerline connection point: Less bar pressure to turn, more power to the harness, best for heavier riders, kites less sensitive to bar movement.

Rear connections: As said these alter the speed the kite turns, how much it can be powered up or depowered, the connection point closest the TE give the faster turns, less bar pressure.

The points closest the middle allow for slightly more topend as it slows the turning down and is also good for beginners for the same reason, it also make the kite less sensitive to bar movement
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:33 pm

Eazyrider has it right. :-)
I would also add

Forward centerline connection point: Better upwindiness.
Rear centerline connection point: More wakestyle/constant power
jay.mac
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:44 pm

darryl pretorius wrote:
Rob.L wrote:I bought my 14mtr C kite and havent altered the connections at the kite tips. Just wondering what differences they make?
I have four connection points in total, two front and two rear.

You had a lesson dude?
Front lines at the front!
Rear lines at the rear!

Maybe you havent explained your question properly. But you sound dangerous!
In 2001(ish) I had a peter lynn Arc630. After failing to notice any depower, changed the front tow points round with the back !! That kite had f@#k all safety features. I took a few years off from kiting;)
Rob.L
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:27 pm

Thanks for the guidance will try some adjustment to improve m kites feel.

Darryl - thanks for the apology, we all jump the gun sometimes but very rare to get an apology.

Cheers again all,
Rob.L
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Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:39 am

darryl pretorius wrote:
Rob.L wrote:I bought my 14mtr C kite and havent altered the connections at the kite tips. Just wondering what differences they make?
I have four connection points in total, two front and two rear.

You had a lesson dude?
Front lines at the front!
Rear lines at the rear!

Maybe you havent explained your question properly. But you sound dangerous!
Can you actually kite?
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