Yori Zoon moving to BEST?

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BrightonSurf wrote:
Well I can only speak for myself but I am influenced by what I see on my local beach.
Well-yes, I take any advantage I can to study others kites on the beach and look for things that are important to me. The actual performance is also my opinion rather than what someone tells me.
BrightonSurf wrote:I am certainly not influenced by magazines (which from what I understand the companies have to pay for reviews) or online reviews by people with a vested interest in the brand
Magazines, no. Even though Rou has represented his stand on kite/board reviews it's still someone else's opinion, but it's a start. I think there are some individuals on this forum that have written and write reviews that are based on their feelings rather than something they are encouraged to say. In all cases i'm more likely to show some interest on the basis of beach knowledge, the odd forum evangelist and Rou's offerings (In that order), not ever because our latest championship hero uses the kite or board.

One thing I just thought of is I was under the impression that competition freestyle is the domain of the 'C' kite yet the market is dominated by SLE sales. I'm not up to speed on dangle-monkey contests so you'll need to help me on this one.

Adding to the comment by cowboy, whats available locally and what the shops are pushing must have a huge influence though I still think the internet plays a massive part, particularly for those of us without shops. Once again, never what Yuri Zoon or Lewis uses.
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Youri winning the PKRA or whichever it was on a non C was quite a big deal I think, if not for SS then for kiting in general. I think SS have had the best of him in that there isn't really much for any team rider to achieve that hasn't already been done.
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The thing everyone forgets here is the actual input of the kite. Youri didn't want to ride the RPM, he was told to, at the time the Fuel still ruled, but Slingshot had Reuben riding it already. Slingshot wanted riders on kites they sold, like the Rev then the Rally, but riders like Reuben and Lewis don't want to ride that style of kite, it took a lot to persuade Youri that an SLE would perform similarly to the Fuel.

Cast your minds back, the world was going Delta back then, the Bandit Dos absolutely ruled in Europe and Slingshot took an entirely different direction with the RPM, fact is, we'd already had excellent sales with it before we even knew Youri was in with a chance of the championships.


Now the RPM which in the last four years everyone has tried to emulate, still sells, and every company wants one, but Youri didn't make it, I'd be surprised if he even knows why it does what it does, the genius of Slingshot is in it's owner, Tony Logosz and he aint for sale, there's another genius now at Slingshot, Dave Russell, also like Tony, a rider designer and the reason this seasons Rally has twice sold out this Autumn and it's not even Christmas. Riders who actually know whats what, know this stuff, so personally I'd be more worried if either of those two signed for Best, but they won't, so I'm not.

At the end of the day for the ordinary guy in the street it's about the kite, rather than who rides it and as long as it does what it says on the label and offers some sort of added value to your day, which generally Slingshot stuff does, then word of mouth and sheer number of the product out there will always work and there are quite a few RPM's about now over a wider zone than the reps local beach where he sells them from the back of his van, a la Best.
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GRF wrote: Now the RPM which in the last four years everyone has tried to emulate, still sells, and every company wants one, but Youri didn't make it, I'd be surprised if he even knows why it does what it does, the genius of Slingshot is in it's owner, Tony Logosz and he aint for sale, there's another genius now at Slingshot, Dave Russell, also like Tony, a rider designer and the reason this seasons Rally has twice sold out this Autumn and it's not even Christmas. Riders who actually know whats what, know this stuff, so personally I'd be more worried if either of those two signed for Best, but they won't, so I'm not.
I would have to agree that the RPM is most important new design for kites over the last few years. Problem with inovation is it doesnt always translate into sales because by the time everyone realises it is a great design your competitors already have their own version of it. There is one kite out there from a major brand which in my opinion is a very close copy of the RPM. Although slingshot do design very nice kites in my opinion nearly all brands make very good kites these days, it is more about finding the kite which meets your style of riding - not about X being better than Y in every respect.
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True, but a very good inoculation gainst anyone with any knowledge buying it would be to paint a dick with wings on it, or call it RRD, or Flexifoil, or make it in really crap materials charge 30% more for it and call it Cabrinha..
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GRF wrote:or make it in really crap materials charge 30% more for it and call it Cabrinha..
:-D Go-on Graeme, make em have it.
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Although I do have to say, I'm starting to love Slingshot quite alot. Used my 10m RPM Bag to carry all my kite shit(kite, bar, harness, wetty), plus all my clothes and other stuff whilst travelling around the world. Good job the RPM's a fantastic kite too. I used to read all the crap in magazines and google "2011 blah bah review" when I heard about a kite. Now I ignore all that manipulative shite and get demos.
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well Youri was as good as his word even if some didn't believe it.

he is still competing on the RPM and has just won the singles with karolina winning the womens on a Fuel. not a Fish to be seen ;)
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james wrote:well Youri was as good as his word even if some didn't believe it.

he is still competing on the RPM and has just won the singles with karolina winning the womens on a Fuel. not a Fish to be seen ;)
I would imagine the reason he is still using the RPM is because he has to get used to the GP before he uses it in competitions. I would be very surprised if they would sponsor him and allow him to continue to ride the RPM indefinitely
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Normally when you sponsor an athlete and you go to the lengths that they have you do so knowing that from that moment on any comps, pics etc that they are seen riding at will have your product plastered all over them.

as for getting used to the kite? well he has said its super great and after 10 mins he was landing everything so whats with riding the RPM still, either that was a load of shit ( doubtfull) or Best chose a very strange time in the season to make their purchases knowing that he would continue to ride the RPM ensuring a nice end to the year for Slingshot, my question is why?
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james wrote:Normally when you sponsor an athlete and you go to the lengths that they have you do so knowing that from that moment on any comps, pics etc that they are seen riding at will have your product plastered all over them.

as for getting used to the kite? well he has said its super great and after 10 mins he was landing everything so whats with riding the RPM still, either that was a load of shit ( doubtfull) or Best chose a very strange time in the season to make their purchases knowing that he would continue to ride the RPM ensuring a nice end to the year for Slingshot, my question is why?
It is a bit strange since I cant see how it helps BEST having a sponsored rider using someone elses gear, you could almost say it is negative publicity - Although I dont believe it is anything more than him needing time to get used to the GP before he competes with it. Even at my level changing kite has a massive effect on my ability to ride and takes time to get used to something new.

Maybe the move was more to do with Youri Zoon than BEST, maybe he had a falling out with Slingshot over money or something and approached BEST (who had already expressed an interest in sponsoring him) saying he will ride for them if he can continue to use the RPM until he is comfortable with the new kite - it does look like he has jumped ship for some reason.
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he was being pursued for a long time now it was discussed at the last two importer meetings that i have been at
I think it was a case of if you want me, these are terms like it of lump it, pay me X and i will ride this till the end of season.

to which they said ok but we are announcing it now.

he has alos indicated he wanted to do something to the TS rather than the GP so it wont surprise me if his end of season RPMs are being put through the photocopier (Metaphorically) as we speak ready for a early spring launch so he can compete on them for next season.. just a hunch.
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